New York Soda Drinkers, REJOICE!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ping2000

Not saying soda is a health elixir, but ANY food or drink in excess is not good. My God, could these elected pricks find something more beneficial to work on? What a waste of time and resources to enforce this crap. Health savings? Bullshit. Any cost savings are offset by the government waste to enforce the regulations. I want to make my own decisions, not let reeruned politicians make them for me. Politicians are at the same intellectual level as actors. One of the best feelings you have is when you can resist the temptation of a food you know is bad for you because YOU decided it was healthier not to eat/drink it. I want to have the freedom to make that choice and feel good about myself, not live in some Gulag/1984 society where some asshat limits my choices. How can you be happy when choices are made for you? Do you sheep love being controlled so much? People used to abhor "the man" interfering in their lives. Now they welcome it.

You do realize that diabetes is quickly becoming an epidemic, right? And that obesity now costs America about 190 billion in health care costs. And that healthy people are picking up the tab for unhealthy people in the form of higher premiums and reduced access to quick medical care?

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You do realize that diabetes is quickly becoming an epidemic, right? And that obesity now costs America about 190 billion in health care costs. And that healthy people are picking up the tab for unhealthy people in the form of higher premiums and reduced access to quick medical care?

Yes I do. Does that mean the government needs to limit soft drink size? I'm all for spending money to educate, although these are the same people who pushed margarine over butter. Again, not saying soda is good for you, but this is slippery slope. Why is everyone so keen on giving your decision making over to the government? Be a man, be an individual. Make your own decisions. You self righteous people cannot save everyone, and what gave you the right to make decisions for everyone else?

[Omaha]

Originally Posted by ping2000

Yes I do. Does that mean the government needs to limit soft drink size? I'm all for spending money to educate, although these are the same people who pushed margarine over butter. Again, not saying soda is good for you, but this is slippery slope. Why is everyone so keen on giving your decision making over to the government? Be a man, be an individual. Make your own decisions. You self righteous people cannot save everyone, and what gave you the right to make decisions for everyone else?

I agree. I don't want the government making decisions for people.

Why are there so many ridiculously fat people walking around eating shit, drinking soda, smoking cigarettes, etc? What is going on that makes so many people completely neglect themselves?

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by Omaha

I agree. I don't want the government making decisions for people.

Why are there so many ridiculously fat people walking around eating shit, drinking soda, smoking cigarettes, etc? What is going on that makes so many people completely neglect themselves?

Short term pleasure overrides rational thought about long term helath benefits. Until the pain of being obese becomes severe enough, it is not enough to get them to stop the bad behavior. Point is, this should be an individual choice, not the government. And all of the BS about health costs, don't be so easily swayed by government statistics. They have an agenda too. These are the same people that told us the world would end by cutting 2.5% from the budget.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by ping2000

Short term pleasure overrides rational thought about long term helath benefits. Until the pain of being obese becomes severe enough, it is not enough to get them to stop the bad behavior. Point is, this should be an individual choice, not the government. And all of the BS about health costs, don't be so easily swayed by government statistics. They have an agenda too. These are the same people that told us the world would end by cutting 2.5% from the budget.

What BS about health costs? You don't think health costs are actually rising and have been drastically doing so for some time?

It's not government statistics. The government isn't the sole source of statistics and information about rising health costs. That can be found from any independent source. And it's an overwhelmingly agreed fact that healthcare costs are drastically rising and will continue to do so until serious changes are made.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Omaha

I agree. I don't want the government making decisions for people.

Why are there so many ridiculously fat people walking around eating shit, drinking soda, smoking cigarettes, etc? What is going on that makes so many people completely neglect themselves?

Mental health, and self worth.

[Omaha]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Mental health, and self worth.

Are you suggesting that the majority of the people I see around my office have mental heath/self worth issues?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Omaha

Are you suggesting that the majority of the people I see around my office have mental heath/self worth issues?

There's also a great deal of ignorance, genetics, and other things that play into it as well. Now, I'm not saying that's everything. I don't want you to think for 1 second I'm downplaying laziness, apathy, and a major lack of self discipline. Those things are the ones we always beat on. I'm talking about the secondary issues.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Omaha

I agree. I don't want the government making decisions for people.

Why are there so many ridiculously fat people walking around eating shit, drinking soda, smoking cigarettes, etc? What is going on that makes so many people completely neglect themselves?

That's a very good question. It's simply unacceptable and these people need understand their unhealthy lifestyle affects others as well and they need to make serious changes in their lives.

(lights up cigarette)

[Omaha]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

That's a very good question. It's simply unacceptable and these people need understand their unhealthy lifestyle affects others as well and they need to make serious changes in their lives.

(lights up cigarette)

Haha. I'm not suggesting that we should have a bunch of healthy little clones. We all have bad habits. You exercise and keep yourself in pretty good shape in spite some bad habits. The same is true for me and many others. I'm talking about the extremely unhealthy people who seemingly don't care about what is happening to them.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ping2000

Yes I do. Does that mean the government needs to limit soft drink size? I'm all for spending money to educate, although these are the same people who pushed margarine over butter. Again, not saying soda is good for you, but this is slippery slope. Why is everyone so keen on giving your decision making over to the government? Be a man, be an individual. Make your own decisions. You self righteous people cannot save everyone, and what gave you the right to make decisions for everyone else?

I don't support the soda ban.

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by Fish

What BS about health costs? You don't think health costs are actually rising and have been drastically doing so for some time?

It's not government statistics. The government isn't the sole source of statistics and information about rising health costs. That can be found from any independent source. And it's an overwhelmingly agreed fact that healthcare costs are drastically rising and will continue to do so until serious changes are made.

I'm not saying health costs aren't going up, just to be careful how stats and data are used. How much of costs are attributable to obesity? I don't trust this scaremongering group of idiots to analyze the data. What price freedom? What control are you willing to give up and at what price? I don't want these ****ers telling me what to do. You shouldn't either.

[Omaha]

Originally Posted by ping2000

I'm not saying health costs aren't going up, just to be careful how stats and data are used. How much of costs are attributable to obesity? I don't trust this scaremongering group of idiots to analyze the data. What price freedom? What control are you willing to give up and at what price? I don't want these ****ers telling me what to do. You shouldn't either.

I don't believe that there is any reason to doubt any of this. I'd almost rather argue that we'll find that obesity causes MORE problems than reported. Does that mean the government needs to start making smart decisions for us? No! The answer to that is NO!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Omaha

I don't believe that there is any reason to doubt any of this. I'd almost rather argue that we'll find that obesity causes MORE problems than reported. Does that mean the government needs to start making smart decisions for us? No! The answer to that is NO!

I believe there are a ton of studies that show that productivity in schools and work improves dramatically as health habits improve. That's common sense to anyone who has tried to eat better and feels more energetic.

[Omaha]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I believe there are a ton of studies that show that productivity in schools and work improves dramatically as health habits improve. That's common sense to anyone who has tried to eat better and feels more energetic.

Absolutely. We encourage people to take a longer than normal lunch if necessary and hit the gym. Productivity is noticeably better.