Our (not so good) cap situation for 2017

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Alright, so it's another long Sunday without football, and while I don't want to look past this year too much, have any of you noticed our current amount of cap space for next offseason?

According to Over The Cap, we are sitting with a shade under 6 million in available space for 2017. I'm not sure it's 100% accurate, but it's gotta be close.

This is without Eric Berry or Dontari Poe under contract, too. Now, we know it's an issue Dorsey has to address and he has shown in the past that he will, but how? What would you do? Here's the link to tinker with all of the different options of moves that can be made. http://overthecap.com/calculator/kansas-city-chiefs/

Personally, I think move number one is to get that Fisher cap number down with an extension. A lot of the other moves are going to depend on how certain guys fare this season, but one that stands out is Mauga's cap number. It'd be really nice to see March or Wilson take his job and make him expendable next offseason. Also, you have the Jamaal dilemma, who would instantly free up 7 million, or Colquitt who frees up over 4 million... hell, Tyler Bray even approaches 2 million.

What do you think Dorsey does to save the world this time? Discuss

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jspchief

You toss around things like "football knowledge" and "moron" but 95% of what you say on this forum is full on deep-throating homerism with no basis in fact or common sense. The reality is you're a ****ing joke that probably didn't play football beyond high school and the only people that agree with you are the other ****ing Chiefs cheerleaders like Dane, and Pugs.

I'm a cheerleader? Huh, I don't remember auditioning.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Mitch Morse is among the best at his position? Peters has played 1 year. Kelce could be the greatest TE to ever play and have little impact on the teams ability to win in the post season (Gonzalez anyone?). "Chris Jones could potentially be the best at his position"... he could "potentially" be the next Caitlin Jenner too... you're just throwing shit on the wall at this point.

And tell me more about Fisher, THE FIRST ****ING OVERALL PICK, and how that contradicts what I said in this thread. Dee Ford. First round. Marcus Peters. First round. English, mother****er. Do you speak it?

You toss around things like "football knowledge" and "moron" but 95% of what you say on this forum is full on deep-throating homerism with no basis in fact or common sense. The reality is you're a ****ing joke that probably didn't play football beyond high school and the only people that agree with you are the other ****ing Chiefs cheerleaders like Dane, and Pugs.

You're a ****ing clown that cant back up a single opinion with anything other than the rainbows and unicorns you shove up your ass while sucking the dick of every move the Chiefs make. **** off cheerleader.

Mitch Morse was a top 10 center in the NFL last year as a ****ing rookie still learning the position.

Chris Jones has ridiculous upside and could've been a top 10 pick if he stayed in school. You can pretend I'm being a homer, but I was pimping him way before we drafted him. Just because you don't know shit about him doesn't mean he should be written off as that caliber of prospect when he clearly is.

I got the outside of the first round part, but are we not going to have several 1st round picks before all of those guys are gone? I don't understand why the 1st rounders should be irrelevant in this conversation. I guess because it fits your weak ****ing argument. Just like ignoring the part about the FA's that Dorsey has added.

It's not my ****ing fault you're a clueless troll that can't objectively evaluate the players on this football team.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm a cheerleader? Huh, I don't remember auditioning.

You're a man-child that cant disagree with someone without throwing a tantrum. Go get some help.

And yes you're joke cheerleader.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Nick Williams had a solid year last season as a rotational player. He was stout against the run and pushed the pocket on quite a few plays.

If he keeps up the run defense and notches a few sacks as a rotational player, (also assuming Jones has a good rookie year), I'd strongly consider letting Poe go and use that money to pay a much smaller contract to Williams and use he rest to snag a FA.

He sure seems like jag type. He didn't even dress for two regular season games nor did was he dress for our playoff game against the Patriots. In his 14 games he played in 182 snaps and counted for 5 solo tackles and 4 assists.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Dorsey will just keep churning the draft and letting guys walk.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dorsey will just push contracts into 2018, in which the Chiefs have a projected $44 million in cap space.

Not to worry.

Combination of these two.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jspchief

You're a man-child that cant disagree with someone without throwing a tantrum. Go get some help.

And yes you're joke cheerleader.

What's a joke cheerleader?

And LOL to the first part of your statement.

I'm not the guy lashing out at people in this thread.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What's a joke cheerleader?

And LOL to the first part of your statement.

I'm not the guy lashing out at people in this thread.

Yes, I finally responded to all of the stupidity that Staylor pollutes this forum with. Now go look at my last 100 posts and your last 100 posts and tell me about "lashing out".

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Yes, I finally responded to all of the stupidity that Staylor pollutes this forum with. Now go look at my last 100 posts and your last 100 posts and tell me about "lashing out".

You pessimistic losers are so delusional. You act like anybody that is optimistic about this football teams future is a homer, when we clearly have every reason to fell that way. This isn't the same football team anymore. WAKE THE **** UP!!!

Dorsey added Smith, Maclin, Kelce, Morse, Peters, and Fisher, in his first 3 years, so what reason do you have to say he can't add more of those caliber of players over the next several years? We should have much more oppurtunies to do so in terms of # of draft picks also.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

@jsp

Sorry, I just don't get how being positive minded regarding this team is off base, at all.

The regime is a proven winner. I also don't see why the window is 'closing' as you say.

Consider this: in our past regimes, we had a knack for finding the occasional elite player every couple of years. I'll give you that. But we also were complete dog shit at filling out the rest of the 53 man roster in the ultimate team game.

None of us want to see DJ or Hali go, but it will eventually happen and we're going to be just fine because for once our FO hasn't been sitting on their asses and have actually been adding competitive depth for the last few years to all positions. There are already numerous cornerstones on the defense for future years that will keep us competitive (Houston, Berry, Peters) and that doesn't even account for the other talented players that don't get as much recognition.

You can doubt all that you want but the fact remains that Kansas City now has a winning culture, and there's no reason to see that changing.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

@jsp

Sorry, I just don't get how being positive minded regarding this team is off base, at all.

The regime is a proven winner. I also don't see why the window is 'closing' as you say.

Consider this: in our past regimes, we had a knack for finding the occasional elite player every couple of years. I'll give you that. But we also were complete dog shit at filling out the rest of the 53 man roster in the ultimate team game.

None of us want to see DJ or Hali go, but it will eventually happen and we're going to be just fine because for once our FO hasn't been sitting on their asses and have actually been adding competitive depth for the last few years to all positions. There are already numerous cornerstones on the defense for future years that will keep us competitive (Houston, Berry, Peters) and that doesn't even account for the other talented players that don't get as much recognition.

You can doubt all that you want but the fact remains that Kansas City now has a winning culture, and there's no reason to see that changing.

Dorsey has done an exceptional job of filling out the roster. I love his approach of throwing a lot of bodies at problem areas.

But there's a difference between rounding out a team that already has 8 (?) Pro Bowl level players and sustaining that talent level.

Dorsey's drafts haven't produced many impact players. You can't talk about filling holes with big contract guys like Maclin because it's not a sustainable approach with regards to cap space.

For example if Dee Ford had panned out, Hali's contract wouldn't be an issue. Sean Smith might still be here, or Poe or Berry might already be inked. Adding guards and backup safeties is great, but they aren't going to make up for elite LBers, pass rushers, DBs. Getting high caliber impact players through the draft not only makes the team better it helps with cap space.

Is it realistic to expect 2nd round Chris Jones to be on the same level as 11th overall Poe? Possible, but not realistic.

If you look at the success the Chiefs have had drafting defensive players in the first 2 rounds, it's been a really good run. The type that poises a team for a stretch of success. Unfortunately it was wasted on bad coaches, GMs, and QBs. I'm sorry that Dorsey's ability to draft Mitch Morse doesn't convince me that this team is going to continue to have Derrick Johnson level talent.

I have no doubt that Dorsey is going to field more competitive teams. But I don't necessarily believe that his ability to build 9-11 win teams translates into an ability to build superbowl teams. He may prove me wrong but currently I see a closing window of opportunity due to attrition of impact talent from age and salary cap.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Dorsey has done an exceptional job of filling out the roster. I love his approach of throwing a lot of bodies at problem areas.

But there's a difference between rounding out a team that already has 8 (?) Pro Bowl level players and sustaining that talent level.

Dorsey's drafts haven't produced many impact players. You can't talk about filling holes with big contract guys like Maclin because it's not a sustainable approach with regards to cap space.

For example if Dee Ford had panned out, Hali's contract wouldn't be an issue. Sean Smith might still be here, or Poe or Berry might already be inked. Adding guards and backup safeties is great, but they aren't going to make up for elite LBers, pass rushers, DBs. Getting high caliber impact players through the draft not only makes the team better it helps with cap space.

Is it realistic to expect 2nd round Chris Jones to be on the same level as 11th overall Poe? Possible, but not realistic.

If you look at the success the Chiefs have had drafting defensive players in the first 2 rounds, it's been a really good run. The type that poises a team for a stretch of success. Unfortunately it was wasted on bad coaches, GMs, and QBs. I'm sorry that Dorsey's ability to draft Mitch Morse doesn't convince me that this team is going to continue to have Derrick Johnson level talent.

I have no doubt that Dorsey is going to field more competitive teams. But I don't necessarily believe that his ability to build 9-11 win teams translates into an ability to build superbowl teams. He may prove me wrong but currently I see a closing window of opportunity due to attrition of impact talent from age and salary cap.

What Dorsey is doing is absolutely a role in sustaining cap space. Dorsey has hit a few home runs in the draft (Peters, Morse, Kelce) but he has also signed cheap FA's that are essentially draft picks bc they are paid so damn cheap.

Abdullah, Parker, Howard, West, Ware. All these guys are a form of FA that made less than $1 million for multiple years and were above average players.

Add in a yearly bargain Safety in Branch and Coleman along with a cheap value on Sean Smith and you have a great deal.
That's not even counting Maclin or Schwartz, which were great gets.

As of today, Dorsey's drafting has cumulatively been slightly above average with a solid '13, below average '14 and amazing '15 drafts, but this guy has crushed it in FA, and that's what is putting this team over the top.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

What Dorsey is doing is absolutely a role in sustaining cap space. Dorsey has hit a few home runs in the draft (Peters, Morse, Kelce) but he has also signed cheap FA's that are essentially draft picks bc they are paid so damn cheap.

Abdullah, Parker, Howard, West, Ware. All these guys are a form of FA that made less than $1 million for multiple years and were above average players.

Add in a yearly bargain Safety in Branch and Coleman along with a cheap value on Sean Smith and you have a great deal.
That's not even counting Maclin or Schwartz, which were great gets.

As of today, Dorsey's drafting has cumulatively been slightly above average with a solid '13, below average '14 and amazing '15 drafts, but this guy has crushed it in FA, and that's what is putting this team over the top.

And my point is Ron Parkers and Hussain Abdullahs aren't Eric Berry. You can have all Parkers and Howards in the world and it won't matter without elite players. The difference between a FA guard and a 3rd round 2nd year guard isn't that big either in savings or impact. What does it cost to fill Berry's level of talent through free agency?

I just don't see this mindset of "Dorsey will keep plugging holes" when Dorsey has yet show he can consistently draft impact players. Plugging the hole left by Kendrick Lewis is not the same task as plugging the hole left by Tamba Hali.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by jspchief

And my point is Ron Parkers and Hussain Abdullahs aren't Eric Berry. You can have all Parkers and Howards in the world and it won't matter without elite players. The difference between a FA guard and a 3rd round 2nd year guard isn't that big either in savings or impact. What does it cost to fill Berry's level of talent through free agency?

I just don't see this mindset of "Dorsey will keep plugging holes" when Dorsey has yet show he can consistently draft impact players. Plugging the hole left by Kendrick Lewis is not the same task as plugging the hole left by Tamba Hali.

He definitely needs more Coopers across the board. Still, the key component is not present.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by jspchief

And my point is Ron Parkers and Hussain Abdullahs aren't Eric Berry. You can have all Parkers and Howards in the world and it won't matter without elite players. The difference between a FA guard and a 3rd round 2nd year guard isn't that big either in savings or impact. What does it cost to fill Berry's level of talent through free agency?

I just don't see this mindset of "Dorsey will keep plugging holes" when Dorsey has yet show he can consistently draft impact players. Plugging the hole left by Kendrick Lewis is not the same task as plugging the hole left by Tamba Hali.

We won quite a bit of football games, including a playoff game, without Charles, Houston, and a hobbled Hali. We were almost a playoff team, and the #1 pass defense in the NFL without DJ, and Berry out half the year in 2014.

All of these guys you say we can't replace have been out for significant periods of time and we've continued to win football games while adding to our overall talent level and depth.

You deem them irreplaceable when they were drafted by shitter regimes and developed by less competent coaching staffs. Why is that so impossible to duplicate with a much better front office and coaching staff? That entire group also took some time to become those caliber of players. Time you refuse to give guys like Fisher and Ford to develop before you rush to judgement.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by jspchief

And my point is Ron Parkers and Hussain Abdullahs aren't Eric Berry. You can have all Parkers and Howards in the world and it won't matter without elite players. The difference between a FA guard and a 3rd round 2nd year guard isn't that big either in savings or impact. What does it cost to fill Berry's level of talent through free agency?

I just don't see this mindset of "Dorsey will keep plugging holes" when Dorsey has yet show he can consistently draft impact players. Plugging the hole left by Kendrick Lewis is not the same task as plugging the hole left by Tamba Hali.

That's not the point.

an entire roster can't be filled with Eric Berry type talents. You can only hope that you can find a top 10 caliber football player at their position for every level of the team.
Dorsey was handed 5 players that were legit top 10 talents at their position: Berry, JC, DJ, Tamba, Houston and Poe (I guess 6 if you count Colquitt but he's a ****ing punter so for sake of the argument he won't be included).

In 3 years, Dorsey has added 5 premium talents that could be argued as top 10 players as of today: Peters, Maclin, Schwartz, Kelce, Morse.

The best you can offer is a premium player at a position surrounded by above average contributors.

Well, 10 players that are legit "top 10" talents at their position are on this team surrounded by a lot of good role players. Yes you can throw out the fact that Tamba and DJ are old, but they don't look like they are off the tracks yet (Tamba has knee issues tho so we'll see).

Other than that, Idk what else you want.