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Old 04-29-2006, 02:26 PM   #1
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Tamba Hali.

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11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

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2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?
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Old 04-29-2006, 02:28 PM   #2
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Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

JR Stats:

2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?
If you bothered to do any research, you'd realize he played DT as a junior. And he was very undersized for a DT. He flourished as a DE.
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Old 04-29-2006, 02:33 PM   #3
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If you bothered to do any research, you'd realize he played DT as a junior. And he was very undersized for a DT. He flourished as a DE.
I think that was research Holmezz. Just not as much as you wanted.

thanks for the info though. that gives me a modicum of hope.
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Old 04-29-2006, 02:36 PM   #4
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Old 04-29-2006, 02:30 PM   #5
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Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

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2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?
That's what they said about Larry Johnson.
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Old 04-29-2006, 02:32 PM   #6
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That's what they said about Larry Johnson.
Yep and LJ's dad coached Tamba so that might have helped them make this decision
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Old 04-29-2006, 02:38 PM   #7
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Yep and LJ's dad coached Tamba so that might have helped them make this decision
Really my initial reaction is pretty much the same to that LJ pick. Not what I was expecting but it's a well coached, productive college player who is going to come out and bust his ass and work hard to get better. I like that. No complaints from me.

Plus I personally would rather have good DE's and iffy corners over good corners and iffy DE's. Even then, Herm has a pretty good track record of drafting DB's in the later rounds, I'd bet there are guys down the road here that he's got an eye on.
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Old 04-29-2006, 02:52 PM   #8
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Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

JR Stats:

2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?
Fluke? Why not solid stats? You just don't like this pick because you've heard he'd be available later. A lot of those assessments are manufactured by other teams who want a guy like him to slip so they can have a chance at him. I'd rather go by Joe Paterno's opinion of him that is pretty glowing. I don't have the direct quote, but didn't Coach Joe call Hali the best DE he has ever coached?
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Old 04-29-2006, 08:18 PM   #9
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Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

JR Stats:

2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?


You post sacks, tackles, and tackles for loss.

And then you IGNORE the last 2 stats and focus solely on sacks.
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Old 04-29-2006, 08:22 PM   #10
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You post sacks, tackles, and tackles for loss.

And then you IGNORE the last 2 stats and focus solely on sacks.
earlier in the thread someone explains that he switched from DT to DE.

that makes some sense I guess.

Just think we could've had him 10 picks later, and even if we couldn't have, we would've gotten someone of similar talent to fill a need.
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Old 04-29-2006, 08:30 PM   #11
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Just think we could've had him 10 picks later, and even if we couldn't have, we would've gotten someone of similar talent to fill a need.
How in the hell do you know that? I think I just figured out who you really are.
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Old 04-29-2006, 08:33 PM   #12
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I think you missed this post the 1st time too.

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And even if her were somehow snapped up, then we still could've landed Jimmy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, or Winston Justice, who I bet will all turn out to be better pros than Hali
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Old 05-01-2006, 02:32 PM   #13
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Just think we could've had him 10 picks later, and even if we couldn't have, we would've gotten someone of similar talent to fill a need.
Banyon...it's fine that you don't like the pick, but you continue to make wild assumptions based on very little solid information. What makes you think we could have gotten Hali 10 picks later...have you talked to each of the GMs who picked after us? Come on now!???

And who exactly was out there who had "similar talent" that we could have gotten 10 picks later? I can't think of anybody and the draft board certainly doesn't show anybody who is comparable to Hali at that point in the draft or slightly later.

Sure...trade down when you don't have a guy at your pick that you feel strongly about. That's a wise move. However, KC felt strongly about Hali. Moving down and missing on him, especially considering the extreme need at DE would have most likely been a monumental error. The draft gods don't go out of their way to favor KC in the best of times. Last year was an exception.

We got a guy who was an All-American DE, and a guy who disrupted offenses on a regular basis. I think he is as close to a sure thing as we could have gotten all things considered. If I'm right, nobody is going to be concerned about where we drafted him...right?
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Old 05-01-2006, 02:38 PM   #14
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We got a guy who was an All-American DE, and a guy who disrupted offenses on a regular basis. I think he is as close to a sure thing as we could have gotten all things considered. If I'm right, nobody is going to be concerned about where we drafted him...right?
You are quite correct. People seem to think Hali's only plus is his character. But did you know talent and character aren't mutually exclusive? WHOAA!!! Yes, it's true!

An All-American in both talent and ethic. It's somebody the Chiefs have been lacking in their first day picks for a while now.
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Old 05-01-2006, 02:46 PM   #15
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Banyon...it's fine that you don't like the pick, but you continue to make wild assumptions based on very little solid information. What makes you think we could have gotten Hali 10 picks later...have you talked to each of the GMs who picked after us? Come on now!???

And who exactly was out there who had "similar talent" that we could have gotten 10 picks later? I can't think of anybody and the draft board certainly doesn't show anybody who is comparable to Hali at that point in the draft or slightly later.

Sure...trade down when you don't have a guy at your pick that you feel strongly about. That's a wise move. However, KC felt strongly about Hali. Moving down and missing on him, especially considering the extreme need at DE would have most likely been a monumental error. The draft gods don't go out of their way to favor KC in the best of times. Last year was an exception.
It's a long thread...so here's what I said originally:

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If we redrafted this draft with someone besides , Hali wouldn't have gone at twenty, we would've gone down to 28 or 30 and gotten him.

And even if her were somehow snapped up, then we still could've landed Jimmy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, or Winston Justice, who I bet will all turn out to be better pros than Hali.
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We got a guy who was an All-American DE, and a guy who disrupted offenses on a regular basis. I think he is as close to a sure thing as we could have gotten all things considered. If I'm right, nobody is going to be concerned about where we drafted him...right?
I hope that he's an all-Pro for the next 10 years. But I just don't feel very good about it yet. Hey, I liked about 40% of the picks, so I'm not impossible to please.
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