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Old 01-01-2014, 09:24 AM  
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2 years.....2 highest total offense seasons in SEC history. 9989 total yards in career (most by any player through sophomore season. 63 pass td's and 30 rush td's. Last night's game was amazing. Kiper and McShay have him in top 10 for the draft. Awesome game last night, dude never quits.
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Old 01-01-2014, 05:53 PM   #121
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Because of what happened in this past off-season or you just don't like his game for the NFL?
Both, but more so for his personality, and the negative media circus that comes with it. As for his play, I think there is a chance he might be an NFL quarterback, but more likely is that hes JAG.

I also feel like there are guys in the NFL that are going to set out to clean his clock, BIGTIME. His (alleged) personality just rubs people the wrong way, and defensive players are going to take it out physically on him.

I could be dead wrong.
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Old 01-01-2014, 05:55 PM   #122
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Old 01-01-2014, 05:59 PM   #123
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Both, but more so for his personality, and the negative media circus that comes with it. As for his play, I think there is a chance he might be an NFL quarterback, but more likely is that hes JAG.

I also feel like there are guys in the NFL that are going to set out to clean his clock, BIGTIME. His (alleged) personality just rubs people the wrong way, and defensive players are going to take it out physically on him.

I could be dead wrong.
He might rub defenses the wrong way BUT HIS team LOVES him and will rape livestock for him. He has a definite prescence. He is one of those people that just have "IT"
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:02 PM   #124
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Khan is trying to not put butts in the seats. He's got to be ready to pack and go to LA the second they have their stadium ready. Everyone knows this. Its the real life version of Major League.
What's been established is that London is calling, not LA.
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:06 PM   #125
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I watch a ton of football. Drew Brees is elite at just about every other QB skill. He is an amazing, HOF QB. Top 10 all-time. His arm strength is average though. It's part of why he's struggled with throwing INTs some years.

I think a late-30s Peyton Manning has proven you don't need a huge arm to put up insane numbers. Peyton's recent QB play has been Brees' whole career.
I agree. People put way too much emphasis on arm strength. It's about 4th or 5th in terms of importance in QB skill sets.
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:19 PM   #126
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Houston didn't feel pressure to draft Vince Young #1 overall in 2006 when some of the similar things were being said, in terms of he would help sell tickets, etc.
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:31 PM   #127
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You shut your whore mouth.

Fran Tarkenton is a god.

And football is football.

Tarkenton didn't get killed because it was all relative. Same goes for Manziel. He's playing in the SEC against guys he'll see again at the next level - and he's kicking their ass.

I'm not a big Manziel guy, but the dude can flat out ball. And unlike Bobby Griffin, he's not solely relying on his athletic ability to dominate at the college level. The guy has some insanity sauce level instincts.

He'll be just fine on the next level.
There have been plenty of guys come through the college ranks with more speed and athleticism than he has. Vick, for example (who also had better passing credentials, arm strength, etc)

He isn't an NFL level prospect as a quarterback and will be a project. NFL defenses have adjusted to the gimmick offenses that made some hay in the league for most of the regular season last year.

He'll have to turn into something he isn't in order to succeed for long at the next level. Nobody is saying he can't do that, but he isn't going to walk into the league and last long with his game as it currently is.
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:35 PM   #128
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You are giving them waaaaaay too much credit here.
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:40 PM   #129
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There have been plenty of guys come through the college ranks with more speed and athleticism than he has. Vick, for example (who also had better passing credentials, arm strength, etc)

He isn't an NFL level prospect as a quarterback and will be a project. NFL defenses have adjusted to the gimmick offenses that made some hay in the league for most of the regular season last year.

He'll have to turn into something he isn't in order to succeed for long at the next level. Nobody is saying he can't do that, but he isn't going to walk into the league and last long with his game as it currently is.
Vick was not a good passer.
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Vick was not a good passer.
He had elite arm strength, which is something to work with at least.
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:47 PM   #131
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He had elite arm strength.
and shitty everything else.
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:53 PM   #132
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Once again, Manziel can't be compared to ANY other QB in college history. If he will somehow , someway go to a team that will let him do what he does and not try to change his style he will flourish.
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Hog Farmer, you need to watch the game from last night and watch it without Manziel's balls in your face. Almost every big play he made involved him running around and then passing to a receiver who had finally broke free or him simply running the ball. That will not work for him in the NFL. Defenders are too fast and he will end up getting hurt. Look at Kaepernick and Newton as examples. As soon as the NFL slowed down their ability to run the ball, they had to adjust to throwing the ball more from the pocket. Kaepernick still hasn't figured out how to be a successful QB from the pocket and it took Newton a full season to adapt his game. The major difference between Kaepernick and Newton to Manziel is that they both have NFL arms and Manziel doesn't.
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Vick did things on the football field that Manziel can only dream of.
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