The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

[O.city]

Logic states that free agent qbs don't win SBS. Yet here we are discussing this again

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

Logic states that free agent qbs don't win SBS. Yet here we are discussing this again

You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.

Last year's QB class has really ****ed the perception of this class.

Geno Smith in years prior to last year would easily be viewed as a top 10 pick.

His player rating on NFL.com is only 7 or 8 points below Luck's last year, and 3 or 4 below RGIII's.

He would have easily been the third QB off the board last year, ahead of Tannehill.

In most of the the prior years, he would have been the first or second.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.

Trading for Matt Cassel was considered baby steps. Gotta walk before you can run. Gotta win a playoff game before you win a Super Bowl.

How about we stop with the small goals? How about if a guy can't be a Super Bowl-quality player, we don't acquire him? Let's do that instead of guys that can just be good enough for the playoffs. That's what we've been doing up to this point, and it hasn't worked.

Alex Smith can't/won't win a Super Bowl. Regardless of how good the Chiefs have been in the past, he's not worth our time or our money. Period.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

Trading for Matt Cassel was considered baby steps. Gotta walk before you can run. Gotta win a playoff game before you win a Super Bowl.

How about we stop with the small goals? How about if a guy can't be a Super Bowl-quality player, we don't acquire him? Let's do that instead of guys that can just be good enough for the playoffs. That's what we've been doing up to this point, and it hasn't worked.

Alex Smith can't/won't win a Super Bowl. Regardless of how good the Chiefs have been in the past, he's not worth our time or our money. Period.

I hated the Cassel trade and don't want Alex Smith, even for a single year.

The issue I'm seeing is that there are many people convinced that G. Smith is a savior and should be acquired, regardless of whether or not he's worthy of being number #1 overall. And if he's not, Reid is a failure.

It's really quite bizarre.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I hated the Cassel trade and don't want Alex Smith, even for a single year.

The issue I'm seeing is that there are many people convinced that G. Smith is a savior and should be acquired, regardless of whether or not he's worthy of being number #1 overall. And if he's not, Reid is a failure.

It's really quite bizarre.

No, we see a talented QB with a lot of potential, and what should be easily fixed mechanical issues.

We also see an opportunity to take the best QB in his class, and understand there's some risk involved, but the potential reward is greater than the risk in this new CBA era.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

No, we see a talented QB with a lot of potential, and what should be easily fixed mechanical issues.

We also see an opportunity to take the best QB in his class, and understand there's some risk involved, but the potential reward is greater than the risk in this new CBA era.

That doesn't mean that he's worthy of #1 overall.

Being the best player in a draft doesn't necessarily equal success. I'm not stating that Smith won't have success, but this Do or Die mentality is quite frankly, ****ing stupid.

If the Chiefs select Smith, great! If they pass on him, great! Andy Reid is in a better position than anyone on Chiefsplanet (and just maybe, Planet Earth) to determine the best QB for the Kansas City Chiefs.

I'm not singling YOU out but this ****ing bullshit about him being a better prospect than Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger, etc. and so on is not only a bunch of ****ing fan bullshit, it's a ****ing TURNOFF.

How many thousands of posts do we need to read about ****ing "Geno" before the Combines and draft?

It's really become sickening.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That doesn't mean that he's worthy of #1 overall.

Being the best player in a draft doesn't necessarily equal success. I'm not stating that Smith won't have success, but this Do or Die mentality is quite frankly, ****ing stupid.

If the Chiefs select Smith, great! If they pass on him, great! Andy Reid is in a better position than anyone on Chiefsplanet (and just maybe, Planet Earth) to determine the best QB for the Kansas City Chiefs.

I'm not singling YOU out but this ****ing bullshit about him being a better prospect than Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger, etc. and so on is not only a bunch of ****ing fan bullshit, it's a ****ing TURNOFF.

How many thousands of posts do we need to read about ****ing "Geno" before the Combines and draft?

It's really become sickening.

nah, what's sickening is reading this same stupid shit for 30 years...

it's pathetic that a Chiefs fan would even type it

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not singling YOU out but this ****ing bullshit about him being a better prospect than Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger
.

Literally not ONE PERSON has said this.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I hated the Cassel trade and don't want Alex Smith, even for a single year.

The issue I'm seeing is that there are many people convinced that G. Smith is a savior and should be acquired, regardless of whether or not he's worthy of being number #1 overall. And if he's not, Reid is a failure.

It's really quite bizarre.

Dude, I think I'm just going to have to leave these posts alone until the draft is over. I really do think you're grossly misrepresenting what people believe about Geno Smith on this board.

Geno Smith MIGHT be a Super Bowl QB. He has the potential. And if he goes to KC, he'll have the coaching staff to put him in that position. He's not a savior, but lots of people like him and want him to be a Chief. You don't have to label it as a religious fervor. In fact, you SHOULDN'T. Because that's not what's going on. At all.

Alex Smith will NOT be a Super Bowl QB. Ever. Barring, of course, a Trent Dilfer-like experience, which I'm not anticipating to happen in the NFL ever again.

That's why so many people are positive on Geno and negative on Alex Smith.

If Andy drafts Geno Smith, and Geno busts, Andy is not a failure. If Andy punts on this QB issue in year one by trading for Alex Smith/Matt Flynn/Nick Foles, then yes, he absolutely IS a failure. Right out of the gate. No questions asked.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

Dude, I think I'm just going to have to leave these posts alone until the draft is over. I really do think you're grossly misrepresenting what people believe about Geno Smith on this board.

Geno Smith MIGHT be a Super Bowl QB. He has the potential. And if he goes to KC, he'll have the coaching staff to put him in that position. He's not a savior, but lots of people like him and want him to be a Chief. You don't have to label it as a religious fervor. In fact, you SHOULDN'T. Because that's not what's going on. At all.

Alex Smith will NOT be a Super Bowl QB. Ever. Barring, of course, a Trent Dilfer-like experience, which I'm not anticipating to happen in the NFL ever again.

That's why so many people are positive on Geno and negative on Alex Smith.

If Andy drafts Geno Smith, and Geno busts, Andy is not a failure. If Andy punts on this QB issue in year one by trading for Alex Smith/Matt Flynn/Nick Foles, then yes, he absolutely IS a failure. Right out of the gate. No questions asked.

http://mellinger.kansascity.com/entr...happelle-show/

@TheJeffReport convince me that the Chiefs not drafting a QB number one overall is the smart thing to do #TwitterTuesday
The inconvenient truth is that the Chiefs stunk one year too late. The NFL personnel community is unanimous that there is no sure franchise quarterback in this draft, and drafting a guy first overall won’t change that.

I’ve been pretty consistent on this: the Chiefs NEED to upgrade at quarterback during the offseason, but I don’t care how they do it. If they decide their own needs plus a particular quarterback’s ability is worth the first pick, then cool. But if they decide they can get a worthy quarterback later in the draft, or through a trade, then they should do that.

But taking a guy first overall won’t make him Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or even Eli Manning. It might just mean they spent the highest NFL pick in franchise history on a guy they could’ve had in the second round.

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I'm sorry but I'm not just reading this shit from "National Guys" or whatnot.

At this point, there is no consensus.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm sorry but I'm not just reading this shit from "National Guys" or whatnot.

So you don't care that two of NFL Network's guys had Geno going #1 and a third on their website also had him going #1.

Coolstorybro

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

http://mellinger.kansascity.com/entr...happelle-show/

@TheJeffReport convince me that the Chiefs not drafting a QB number one overall is the smart thing to do #TwitterTuesday
The inconvenient truth is that the Chiefs stunk one year too late. The NFL personnel community is unanimous that there is no sure franchise quarterback in this draft, and drafting a guy first overall won’t change that.

I’ve been pretty consistent on this: the Chiefs NEED to upgrade at quarterback during the offseason, but I don’t care how they do it. If they decide their own needs plus a particular quarterback’s ability is worth the first pick, then cool. But if they decide they can get a worthy quarterback later in the draft, or through a trade, then they should do that.

But taking a guy first overall won’t make him Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or even Eli Manning. It might just mean they spent the highest NFL pick in franchise history on a guy they could’ve had in the second round.

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I'm sorry but I'm not just reading this shit from "National Guys" or whatnot.

At this point, there is no consensus.

Mellinger says this:

But taking a guy first overall won’t make him Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or even Eli Manning. It might just mean they spent the highest [B]NFL pick in franchise history on a guy they could’ve had in the second round.

He's getting the argument completely wrong. Andrew Luck and the Manning brothers aren't the standard. They're the exception.

Cam Newton had WAAAY more problems than Geno Smith coming out of college. Sam Bradford was (and still is) a broke dick who comes from a shitty QB school. Matt Stafford had the knock of being too reckless and throwing too many picks. He apparently still has that problem.

#1 overall doesn't mean you're a flawless prospect. It means you're the player that can most change a team's fortunes.

And that's Geno. Mellinger is a reerun if he doesn't think Geno is on the scale or better than the #1 overall guys I mentioned above.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.

That's bullshit hyperbole Dane

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by PGM

That's bullshit hyperbole Dane

No, it's not.

The Combines haven't even taken place yet in the minds of many CPers, Smith is a Super Bowl QB that's unquestionably the number overall choice.

Yet, outside of this forum, he's viewed by many as a second rounder, a guy with questionable leadeship skills and for certain, he's no where near the consensus number one pick.

Now, that's not to say that he won't become those things, but similar things were said about Jimmy Clausen a few years back, yet he fell to the second round and has sucked ass in the NFL.