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Old 09-26-2017, 07:41 AM  
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PFF comments extensively on Terrance Mitchell
This is great stuff. Props to the Locked On Chiefs podcast for hosting PFF. Between them, Chief in the North, Amateur Hour, the A Team podcast, and the Arrowhead Pride podcast, this is really the golden age for Chiefs podcasts.

Anyway, the dude from PFF made lots of interesting comments (the Chiefs play man coverage more than anyone in the NFL; the OL is "borderline top 10" but not enough to really take over games), but the most interesting to me is the comments he made about Mitchell.

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Q: One guy that I was critical of early, and I'm starting to come around myself so you're not the only one that's making adjustments here, Terrance Mitchell is the second-most targeted corner according to PFF in this league, and he's given up the most yardage.

But, he still grades out very well. He doesn't give up a whole lot of rating against, so explain to us how, when you guys are doing that, do you take the fact that Marcus Peters is across from him into consideration when you're working grades, or how do you all look at his body of work as a whole?

PFF: Yeah obviously some cornerbacks just get targeted more. You can't really help it as a cornerback when you get targeted. You have to-- you will give up more completions. If someone like Richard Sherman was targeted on every single play of the game he'd end up giving up 150 yards at least in the game.

But at the same time, you have to look at the yards per target, and so [Mitchell] is still allowing fewer than 10 yards a target, which is fairly good at the cornerback position. He has given up over 300 yards, but on 33 targets, so over 10 targets a game is a lot of targets.

And his completion percentage against is only 51.5% so that's, you know, when you're around the 50 mark at the cornerback position, that's a-- an elite number is sub-50, so he's right at that. The fact that he gets targeted a bunch, he has two picks, he has three pass breakups, so he's been good in that area. He does have a handful of penalties, but that's gonna happen in the NFL when you play man coverage.

So I think what we've seen from him so far has been encouraging, and you need someone across from Marcus Peters who's going to be able to hold up with a high volume of targets because teams are wising up to the fact that maybe targeting Marcus Peters whatever it was, 118 times his rookie year, is not a smart decision.
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Old 09-26-2017, 07:54 AM   #2
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Only idiots think Mitchell is having a bad season.
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Old 09-26-2017, 07:56 AM   #3
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Only idiots think Mitchell is having a bad season.
Or maybe -- maybe -- people operating with incomplete information.
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Old 09-26-2017, 08:40 AM   #4
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I don't think Mitchell is having a bad season, but I do think Sutton could help him out. Too many times he puts Peters on one side of the field, instead of having Peters shadow the #1 WR. Teams have figured this out, and are putting their best WR on Mitchell's side. Having your #1 WR on the #2 CB is a mismatch that most teams want.
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Old 09-26-2017, 08:43 AM   #5
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They don't switch corners. It's not gonna happen that often I don't think
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Old 09-26-2017, 08:55 AM   #6
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I don't think Mitchell is having a bad season, but I do think Sutton could help him out. Too many times he puts Peters on one side of the field, instead of having Peters shadow the #1 WR. Teams have figured this out, and are putting their best WR on Mitchell's side. Having your #1 WR on the #2 CB is a mismatch that most teams want.
Having Peters on one side, enables Sutton to roll coverage to the other if needed. It has its benefits, as well as its weaknesses.
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Or maybe -- maybe -- people operating with incomplete information.


Or maybe, just maybe, these same people don't know what the **** to watch or what's happening on each play.

If you need a bunch of drunken Brits to explain American football to you, maybe, just maybe, you don't know shit about football.
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Old 09-26-2017, 09:21 AM   #8
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Only idiots think Mitchell is having a bad season.
He had a bad first game before coming up with that big play at the end.

Hes gonna be targeted a lot, that was never really a secret to anyone.

If he plays like the last 4 games last yr and continues to improve hell be just fine.

Gaines however....is ****in terrible and shouldnt even be on the ps.

Losing Nelson sucks. CB depth is a problem. I wouldnt be opposed to drafting a CB as early as they can in next years draft.
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Only idiots think Mitchell is having a bad season.
Or they're not watching the games. But if you pay attention, you can tell he's doing OK.
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Gaines hasn't been bad this year either

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Only idiots think Mitchell is having a bad season.
Dude's almost exactly what Sean Smith was when he was here. A physical brawler of a corner that isn't at all fun to play against. He probably makes more plays than Smith but because he's also the 2nd CB (as opposed to Smith playing opposite of ass) he also gets a lot more targets.

So he'll get beat more but also make more plays than Smith did. I think the guy's looked awfully good given his style of play.

He's never gonna be a visually appealing player out there. He's just gonna be a hard-nosed Hasty type who does the dirty work and makes plays. I'm hopeful we can get him extended on a 3-year deal or so this off-season for around $4-6 million per. It'll seem high but he'll earn that and then some, IMO.
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Dude's almost exactly what Sean Smith was when he was here. A physical brawler of a corner that isn't at all fun to play against. He probably makes more plays than Smith but because he's also the 2nd CB (as opposed to Smith playing opposite of ass) he also gets a lot more targets.

So he'll get beat more but also make more plays than Smith did. I think the guy's looked awfully good given his style of play.

He's never gonna be a visually appealing player out there. He's just gonna be a hard-nosed Hasty type who does the dirty work and makes plays. I'm hopeful we can get him extended on a 3-year deal or so this off-season for around $4-6 million. It'll seem high but he'll earn that and then some, IMO.
I agree 100%. I'd love for him to stick around.
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Gaines hasn't been bad this year either

Sucks for cover
Gaines hasn't been nearly as bad as CP would lead you to believe. He is a valuable asset being that he's on a cheap rookie contract and can play both outside and inside. He also made a couple of really nice tackles on Sunday, one of which prevented a big play by Gordon. The fact that people think he shouldn't be on the roster is moronic. He's better than a lot of other teams backups.
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