***Official Monday Night Football Thread- September 8th***

[lewdog]

Giants @ Lions

7:10 PM ET, September 8, 2014
Ford Field, Detroit, MI

2013 NY Giants Leaders
Passing: Manning - 317-551, 3818 yds, 18 tds
Rushing: Brown - 139 car, 492 yds, 3 tds
Receiving: Cruz - 73 rec, 998 yds, 4 tds

2013 Detroit Leaders
Passing: Stafford - 371-634, 4650 yds, 29 tds
Rushing: Bush - 223 car, 1006 yds, 4 tds
Receiving: Johnson - 84 rec, 1492 yds, 12 tds


Chargers @ Cardinals

10:20 PM ET, September 8, 2014
U of Phoenix Stadium, Glendale, AZ

2013 San Diego Leaders
Passing: Rivers - 378-544, 4478 yds, 32 tds
Rushing: Mathews - 285 car, 1255 yds, 6 tds
Receiving: Allen - 71 rec, 1046 yds, 8 tds

2013 Arizona Leaders
Passing: Palmer - 362-572, 4274 yds, 24 tds
Rushing: Mendenhall - 217 car, 687 yds, 8 tds
Receiving: Floyd - 65 rec, 1041 yds, 5 tds






Figured I'd start this since I am a newly appointed Cardinals fan after the Chiefs season opener.

[thabear04]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yeah, Zona would be top 5 if they weren't missing:

Honey Badger
Both starting ILBs from last year (Washington and Dansby).
and their other DL stud in Darnell Dockett.

You act like the Chargers receivers weren't getting open against the Cardinals. They were getting open quite often, especially on that final drive where Rivers just flat our missed his receivers and lost the game because he couldn't get into field goal range.

That fumble snap by Rivers killed them.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

this ****ing guy

not once has anyone ever said that Gates hasn't "outplayed" every Chiefs receiver in 2014

it would be ****ing hard not to

YOU SAID

ANTONIO GATES IS FASTER THAN ANY CHIEFS RECEIVER.

Just stop right there.

ANTONIO GATES IS FASTER THAN ANY CHIEFS RECEIVER.

Stop again.

My only argument to any of that was NO HE'S ****ING NOT. He MIGHT be faster than Anthony Fasano. MAYBE. Other than that...he's SLOWER THAN ANY CHIEFS RECEIVER.

So shut the **** up.

You shut the **** up.

He's outplayed every Chiefs receiver so far...because he's better than every Chiefs receiver.

He gets open. Every Chiefs receiver may be able to beat him in a track meet...but he'll run better, more precise routes that do exactly what the play are designed to do...he's faster at getting open and getting the ball in his hand. That's the only 'faster' I care about.

Get it yet??

Or are you THAT obtuse??

(Of course, your demeanor suggests that you are...)

[OldSchool]

I really hope that Reid has been studying the Patriots offense really closely from when they had Gronk and Hernandez on the field together.

That's really the type of offense that we should be running now with the talent that we have:

Bottom 4 in the league at WR even with Bowe (our Welker).

Really talented at TE with Kelce (our version of Gronk) and the solid Fasano. Harris likely won't see time until the BYE. Kelce, Fasano, and Harris are all more of a mismatch for opposing defenses than any of our WRs outside of Bowe are.

Then out of the 2 TE sets, we can run anything that we want with Charles.

But, instead, Reid insisted on going with the big group of WRs on the field who can't get open because they should be on a practice squad, learning to play football in the NFL, and not on an active roster.

Avery is a situation deep threat that should never be counted on as a #2, much less a #1, on any decent roster. Hammond, though he has shown flashes and improvements from last year, is still a major unknown and should be the #5 or #6 developmental WR who contributes on special teams. Albert Wilson is in the same boat as Hammond. AJ Jenkins is kind of a waste of space, just shows almost no will to get better and actually contribute. And Hemmingway is another unknown and isn't in good football shape yet due to his sitting out of TC with injuries.

[Mav]

Glad to see the Bolts choke. They had that game by the nuts.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

you guarantee, eh?

well at least I am smart enough to cash in my Alex Smith chips

he's going to have an abysmal year...it'll be 50/50 his fault

but 'great' QBs make the players around them better...Alex isn't good enough to do that, clearly

Phillip Rivers certainly is, though.

Um, you sure about that? Cause I seem to recall Rivers failing to lead the final drive, where all he needed was a field goal to win it, and it was because he was just plain missing on his throws to his targets. Remember that 3rd down dirtball? Yeah.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

I really hope that Reid has been studying the Patriots offense really closely from when they had Gronk and Hernandez on the field together.

That's really the type of offense that we should be running with now with the talent that we have:

Bottom 4 in the league at WR even with Bowe (our Welker).

Really talented at TE with Kelce (our version of Gronk) and the solid Fasano. Harris likely won't see time until the BYE. Kelce, Fasano, and Harris are all more of a mismatch for opposing defenses than any of our WRs outside of Bowe are.

Then out of the 2 TE sets, we can run anything that we want with Charles.

But, instead, Reid insisted on going with the big group of WRs on the field who can't get open because they should be on a practice squad, learning to play football in the NFL, and not on an active roster.

Avery is a situation deep threat that should never be counted on as a #2, much less a #1, on any decent roster. Hammond, though he has shown flashes and improvements from last year, is still a major unknown and should be the #5 or #6 developmental WR who contributes on special teams. Albert Wilson is in the same boat as Hammond. AJ Jenkins is kind of a waste of space, just shows almost no will to get better and actually contribute. And Hemmingway is another unknown and isn't in good football shape yet due to his sitting out of TC with injuries.

Agree with all of this...but...A 2 TE set really needs an actual commitment to the run to be effective. I don't see that happening with Reid calling the plays...

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Um, you sure about that? Cause I seem to recall Rivers failing to lead the final drive, where all he needed was a field goal to win it, and it was because he was just plain missing on his throws to his targets. Remember that 3rd down dirtball? Yeah.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

On that 3rd and 2...lol

Rivers...'top 10'

I can't even finish I'm laughing so hard...

Top 10?? Hootie has been smoking his blowfish!!

[GoChargers]

Same old Chargers. I really wish ESPN would stop scheduling us on Monday night, this franchise can't even handle that "spotlight."

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Top 10?? Hootie has been smoking his blowfish!!

Don't get me wrong. Rivers is a very good QB and was verging on being Elite last year. He is, after Big Ben and Russell Wilson, the closest to breaking into the Elite group (Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees). He just wasn't good at all tonight just like Alex wasn't good against the Titans.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Don't get me wrong. Rivers is a very good QB and was verging on being Elite last year. He is, after Big Ben and Russell Wilson, the closest to breaking into the Elite group (Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees). He just wasn't good at all tonight just like Alex wasn't good against the Titans.

Main difference is...Alex would've hit that 3rd and 2. Alex can move his team into FG range, and he's NEVER had the weaponry that Rivers has enjoyed for his career.

Rivers is the opposite of clutch; he's the AFC's version of Tony Romo. Time and Time again, when pressure is applied, he throws key interceptions, fumbles snaps, starts throwing dirtballs and throwing a fit...He doesn't stay cool.

He's not consistent enough to be top ANYTHING. He's volatile. He throws for tons of yards, and amasses great stats...but to what avail??

How often have we seen what we saw tonight from Phyllis?? So often, it's become his MO. Everyone called the San Diego meltdown tonight...because that's what they do. And it starts with their QB, Queen of the Meltdown.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Gates is not anywhere close to a top 5 TE in the NFL in 2014. He is past his prime. Years past. However, you are right...he is very slow.

But apparently the Chiefs don't have a single RECEIVER faster than Antonio Gates.

Yeah, I'm the moron.

How many TDs did Gates have on Sunday night??

Who caught EVERYTHING thrown in his direction??

(*SPOILER ALERT* - It wasn't a Chiefs receiver or TE...)

[Hootie]

You called Gates faster than any chiefs receiver. I'm not sure how you don't understand how dumb of a statement that was

[Hootie]

Also, Rivers looked pretty elite...