Would you trade Alex Smith for Colin Kaepernick straight up?

[Alex Smith 4Ever]

I would not. Alex is a better quarterback right now and does not have the off field incidents of Kaepernick

[temper11]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I would simply stop being a fan. Honestly, I doubt I'd root against the Chiefs so much as I'd just stop watching football altogether.

Not that you did this, but there are people here that basically abandoned the 49ers (or just bemoan them constantly for choosing Kap) when Alex Smith was traded. How is that any better than what I said above?

In fact, how is it not WORSE? I'm choosing to abstain. They're choosing to change sides, like Benedict Arnold.

Well.. before you go giving me too much credit. I am on record, both here and on Niners board, as saying that when the Chiefs play the Niners, I'll be rooting for the Chiefs. That is not to say that I'm more of a Chiefs fan than a Niners fan, because I'm not... I'm just selfish really. I want to be right about Smith as much as the haters want me to be wrong. It's not the Niners per say that I want Smith and the Chiefs to beat so much as it is all the fans sitting in the stands that were screaming "we want Carr" in 2010. That's who I want Smith and the Chiefs to beat.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by temper11

Well.. before you go giving me too much credit. I am on record, both here and on Niners board, as saying that when the Chiefs play the Niners, I'll be rooting for the Chiefs. That is not to say that I'm more of a Chiefs fan than a Niners fan, because I'm not... I'm just selfish really.

Or your script hasn't arrived yet.

I have my own favorites (Flowers, Houston, etc) but if they all had to burn in fire for the Chiefs to finally win a super bowl I'd strike the match...

[temper11]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I would simply stop being a fan.

Well, again, for your sake I hope they don't trade Berry. You sound like you have too many years invested to walk away now.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by temper11

Well.. before you go giving me too much credit. I am on record, both here and on Niners board, as saying that when the Chiefs play the Niners, I'll be rooting for the Chiefs. That is not to say that I'm more of a Chiefs fan than a Niners fan, because I'm not... I'm just selfish really. I want to be right about Smith as much as the haters want me to be wrong. It's not the Niners per say that I want Smith and the Chiefs to beat so much as it is all the fans sitting in the stands that were screaming "we want Carr" in 2010. That's who I want Smith and the Chiefs to beat.

Takes a big man to admit something like that. I mean that with all sincerity.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Or your script hasn't arrived yet.

I have my own favorites (Flowers, Houston, etc) but if they all had to burn in fire for the Chiefs to finally win a super bowl I'd strike the match...

Script? Didn't follow that.

I hear you though. In my opinion, it's not quite the same. Flowers, Houston, etc. are all for the most part loved here in KC - or at the very least, not hated. There aren't people hanging Flowers likeness in effigy or burning his jersey in the street. Smith was insanely polarizing for San Fran fans. Even before Harbaugh signed on and drafted Kap.

I have plenty of favorites on the niners and many have been traded over the years, but I don't hop on the message boards of their new teams and root for them to beat the niners. Don't expect I ever will again.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Takes a big man to admit something like that. I mean that with all sincerity.

Not so much on a MB. Try doing it in a bar full of San Fran fans. You literally do need to be a big man to get away with it (thank you mom and dad).

[BeeHo]

Originally Posted by temper11

Yes... but isn't that in part due to the fact that he is an effective Game Manager? He had great defensive play in SF and he played accordingly conservative and not putting his defense in a bad position. What happened when that defense did falter in the second half of the 2011 Saints playoff game? He became aggressive and was successful in doing so. Then in KC, the first half of the year, his defense was playing lights out and the offense was operating on a fraction of the playbook... He played conservative again, never putting his defense in harms way. Then when his defense failed to come back from the bye week and he was facing high powered offenses that put up a ton of points, Smith (and Reid) again let loose on the reins and were very effective. Seems to me that there is ample evidence that shows he is very capable of playing "liberaly" when the game requires it. He is indeed a highly effective game manager, playing the style of football (conservative or aggressive) that gives his team the best chance to win. It may not be flashy much of the time, but it has proven over the last 3 season's to be an effective way to WIN games. Isn't that the ultimate goal? Not who has the best YPG average, or who throws the most bombs?

Definitely he turns on the engine when need be. I would prefer he turn it on at will more often regardless of defense performance or game situation. I Don't want him to be a 20+ yard gunslinger but a balanced and smart qb (he's already smart, of course.) I hope he stays around top 5 in qb rushing yards and raises his attempts of 20+ yard attempts to around 12 percent, rather than at 9 percent.

I was impressed with his performance especially after the bye week; considering the youth and inexperience of his o-line, lack of talented receivers, and roller coaster defense.

Really excited for the season to begin; Hope what we saw against the Colts was foreshadowing of more to come

[temper11]

Originally Posted by BeeHo

Definitely he turns on the engine when need be. I would prefer he turn it on at will more often regardless of defense performance or game situation. I Don't want him to be a 20+ yard gunslinger but a balanced and smart qb (he's already smart, of course.) I hope he stays around top 5 in qb rushing yards and raises his attempts of 20+ yard attempts to around 12 percent, rather than at 9 percent.

I was impressed with his performance especially after the bye week; considering the youth and inexperience of his o-line, lack of talented receivers, and roller coaster defense.

Really excited for the season to begin; Hope what we saw against the Colts was foreshadowing of more to come

You and me both Bee.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by temper11

Yes... but isn't that in part due to the fact that he is an effective Game Manager? He had great defensive play in SF and he played accordingly conservative and not putting his defense in a bad position. What happened when that defense did falter in the second half of the 2011 Saints playoff game? He became aggressive and was successful in doing so. Then in KC, the first half of the year, his defense was playing lights out and the offense was operating on a fraction of the playbook... He played conservative again, never putting his defense in harms way. Then when his defense failed to come back from the bye week and he was facing high powered offenses that put up a ton of points, Smith (and Reid) again let loose on the reins and were very effective. Seems to me that there is ample evidence that shows he is very capable of playing "liberaly" when the game requires it. He is indeed a highly effective game manager, playing the style of football (conservative or aggressive) that gives his team the best chance to win. It may not be flashy much of the time, but it has proven over the last 3 season's to be an effective way to WIN games. Isn't that the ultimate goal? Not who has the best YPG average, or who throws the most bombs?

That's just ****ing stupid.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I would simply stop being a fan. Honestly, I doubt I'd root against the Chiefs so much as I'd just stop watching football altogether.

All because of Berry? Jeez. You've said stuff like this before, and you're still here.

You've been saying you don't root for them now, that you're indifferent about the Chiefs. Was that wrong?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

All because of Berry? Jeez. You've said stuff like this before, and you're still here.

Dude, I've left you alone for the better part of a month. Don't ****ing start. I'm still here because I like HERE, not because of the Chiefs. I have just as many posts in the Media Center as I do anywhere else, so get over it.

Originally Posted by Messier

You've been saying you don't root for them now, that you're indifferent about the Chiefs. Was that wrong?

Indifferent as in it no longer bothers me when they draft offensive linemen or lose football games. I'm used to it.

I root for them during the games and when the game is over, I don't think about the Chiefs anymore.

Grow the **** up and leave me the **** alone. This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. I don't follow you around and nitpick your every post.

[htismaqe]

By the way, I find it ironic that you have such a HUGE problem with me being down on the Chiefs but you have NO PROBLEM AT ALL with a bunch of 49er fans that SWITCHED TEAMS because the 49ers traded a backup QB.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dude, I've left you alone for the better part of a month. Don't ****ing start. I'm still here because I like HERE, not because of the Chiefs. I have just as many posts in the Media Center as I do anywhere else, so get over it.



Indifferent as in it no longer bothers me when they draft offensive linemen or lose football games. I'm used to it.

I root for them during the games and when the game is over, I don't think about the Chiefs anymore.

Grow the **** up and leave me the **** alone. This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. I don't follow you around and nitpick your every post.

I haven't posted in a week or so, lighten up. If you want to be left alone stop posing on a message board. It lends itself to people seeing, and responding to things you say

Sorry. I get intrigued by people that say, if the Chiefs do this, or don't do that, I'm not a fan anymore. I think it's odd.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

By the way, I find it ironic that you have such a HUGE problem with me being down on the Chiefs but you have NO PROBLEM AT ALL with a bunch of 49er fans that SWITCHED TEAMS because the 49ers traded a backup QB.

I think that's weird too.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

I haven't posted in a week or so, lighten up. If you want to be left alone stop posing on a message board. It lends itself to people seeing, and responding to things you say

Sorry. I get intrigued by people that say, if the Chiefs do this, or don't do that, I'm not a fan anymore. I think it's odd.

Do you think I just woke up one morning and said "if the Chiefs do X, I'm done"?

How long have you been fan? I'm asking in all seriousness because I think there's a difference here in perspective.