Chiefs Our (not so good) cap situation for 2017 - Page 5

pugsnotdrugs19 · 12:02 PM

Alright, so it's another long Sunday without football, and while I don't want to look past this year too much, have any of you noticed our current amount of cap space for next offseason?

According to Over The Cap, we are sitting with a shade under 6 million in available space for 2017. I'm not sure it's 100% accurate, but it's gotta be close.

This is without Eric Berry or Dontari Poe under contract, too. Now, we know it's an issue Dorsey has to address and he has shown in the past that he will, but how? What would you do? Here's the link to tinker with all of the different options of moves that can be made. http://overthecap.com/calculator/kansas-city-chiefs/

Personally, I think move number one is to get that Fisher cap number down with an extension. A lot of the other moves are going to depend on how certain guys fare this season, but one that stands out is Mauga's cap number. It'd be really nice to see March or Wilson take his job and make him expendable next offseason. Also, you have the Jamaal dilemma, who would instantly free up 7 million, or Colquitt who frees up over 4 million... hell, Tyler Bray even approaches 2 million.

What do you think Dorsey does to save the world this time? Discuss

jspchief · 05-15-2016, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

We won quite a bit of football games, including a playoff game, without Charles, Houston, and a hobbled Hali. We were almost a playoff team, and the #1 pass defense in the NFL without DJ, and Berry out half the year in 2014.

All of these guys you say we can't replace have been out for significant periods of time and we've continued to win football games while adding to our overall talent level and depth. All these guys you deem irreplaceable were drafted by shitter regimes, yet you think that is so impossible to duplicate. They also took some time to become those players. Time you refuse to give guys like Fisher and Ford to develop before you rush to judgement.

Drafted by shittier regimes, yes. Regimes that had the luxury of drafting in the top half of the order more often than not. And it will be difficult to duplicate it. There are few if any other NFL teams that can boast the level of first round success KC has had since drafting DJ. It's not easy to replicate. If you think it is, show me how many teams have done it since 2005.

And tell me more about how much time it took them to succeed. Rookie starters like Hali, DJ, Poe, Berry. Dee Ford is on pace to catch Hali's rookie season sack total in 10 years... if he gets to line up against the worst tackle in the league more often. Who needs time anyways? You've already crowned Jones one of the best in the nfl at his position and he hasnt taken a snap.

RINGLEADER · 05-15-2016, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dorsey will just push contracts into 2018, in which the Chiefs have a projected $44 million in cap space.

Not to worry.

Combination of this and franchising the one big name he doesn't think we can live without. He usually is pretty good about getting the B-players extended during the season and franchising the star (who I would guess would be Dontari Poe). He'll make the room for that extra year for Poe and, as Dane suggests, free up some space with musical chairs.

O.city · 05-15-2016, 08:52 PM

I'd say 3 potential all pro type players drafted thru 3 drafts is replacing talent.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-15-2016, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'd say 3 potential all pro type players drafted thru 3 drafts is replacing talent.

Who are the other 2?

staylor26 · 05-15-2016, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Drafted by shittier regimes, yes. Regimes that had the luxury of drafting in the top half of the order more often than not. And it will be difficult to duplicate it. There are few if any other NFL teams that can boast the level of first round success KC has had since drafting DJ. It's not easy to replicate. If you think it is, show me how many teams have done it since 2005.

And tell me more about how much time it took them to succeed. Rookie starters like Hali, DJ, Poe, Berry. Dee Ford is on pace to catch Hali's rookie season sack total in 10 years... if he gets to line up against the worst tackle in the league more often. Who needs time anyways? You've already crowned Jones one of the best in the nfl at his position and he hasnt taken a snap.

Only one of those guys was a top 10 pick, so it's not like we loaded up Jaguars style.

The two best players on this team were 3rd rounders. Dorsey has shown the ability to find pro bowl caliber players in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

Also, DJ was benched at one point and Hali was considered a guy that couldn't finish or play OLB in a 3/4. Berry was also somewhat of a disappointment that appeared to possibly be ending tragically.

Dee Ford's actually been a fairly productive pass rusher snap for snap (in terms of pressures). He's just barely seen the field and needs to learn to finish and develop as a pass rusher like Hali did. You just want to write him off now so you have something to bitch about since you're running out.

I'm not ****ing crowning Jones either, I just know what the **** his upside is and have all the confidence in our coaching staff to get him to reach it. It's not my problem that you're a ****ing clueless idiot that can't see that or at least accept it as a possibility.

We're only going to year 4 of this thing and you want to write off any pick that hasn't developed into an All-Pro already. Including the ones we've drafted in the last two years. That's ignorant as ****. Guys like Ford, Conley, Gaines, Jones, and Russell all have the upside to be quality starters. Give it some ****ing time.

O.city · 05-15-2016, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagnabit

Who are the other 2?

Kelce, Peters, morse

jspchief · 05-15-2016, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Kelce, Peters, morse

Morse is potential all pro now? Is this a mizzou thing?

pugsnotdrugs19 · 05-15-2016, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Morse is potential all pro now? Is this a mizzou thing?

Yeah, he really is....

He was probably a top 5 center in his rookie year so, to be top 2 at any point seems very possible

pugsnotdrugs19 · 05-15-2016, 09:33 PM

I'll just be honest, I think you're placing too much emphasis on 'elite' talent, jsp.

Yes, Tamba, DJ, Berry and Poe were all great first round picks, but they also amounted to a grand 3 winning seasons out of 8 dating back to DJ's rookie year up until the new regime.

Now, we've had 3 winning seasons in 3 years.

It's all about who is running the show and sculpting the culture, teaching the players.

After all, DJ, Hali, Poe and Berry didn't keep us from going 2-14 a few years ago.

staylor26 · 05-15-2016, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Morse is potential all pro now? Is this a mizzou thing?

He was a top 10 center in the NFL last year as a rookie. Are you ****ing reeruned?

jspchief · 05-15-2016, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

He was a top 10 center in the NFL last year as a rookie. Are you ****ing reeruned?

Top 10 is pretty much the same as all pro. Huh.

Is it hard to type with his dick down your esophagus?

jspchief · 05-15-2016, 09:48 PM

Nothing says superbowl more than centers and TEs.

staylor26 · 05-15-2016, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Top 10 is pretty much the same as all pro. Huh.

Is it hard to type with his dick down your esophagus?

Top 10 was being conservative, but let's completely ignore the key part ("as a rookie"). Why is it so hard for you to project how good a player can be after further development. Are you really that ****ing clueless? He was fantastic in his first year playing a relatively new position. Of course he's only going to get better. Not to mention the talent next to him could be improved to help him also.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-15-2016, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Nothing says superbowl more than centers and TEs.

Or inside linebackers and safeties, right?

You act as if you have some sort of insight that guys like Staylor or Pugs or even I don't have, yet all you do is bitch and moan about the Chiefs.

And bringing up high school football?

Glory days?

staylor26 · 05-15-2016, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Nothing says superbowl more than centers and TEs.

First it was Dorsey can't find those caliber players. Now you're moving on to positional value.

I mean with all that talent he had handed to him by those great ****ing regimes of the past, what other positions did you expect him to go after?

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