Chiefs Our (not so good) cap situation for 2017 - Page 3

pugsnotdrugs19 · 12:02 PM

Alright, so it's another long Sunday without football, and while I don't want to look past this year too much, have any of you noticed our current amount of cap space for next offseason?

According to Over The Cap, we are sitting with a shade under 6 million in available space for 2017. I'm not sure it's 100% accurate, but it's gotta be close.

This is without Eric Berry or Dontari Poe under contract, too. Now, we know it's an issue Dorsey has to address and he has shown in the past that he will, but how? What would you do? Here's the link to tinker with all of the different options of moves that can be made. http://overthecap.com/calculator/kansas-city-chiefs/

Personally, I think move number one is to get that Fisher cap number down with an extension. A lot of the other moves are going to depend on how certain guys fare this season, but one that stands out is Mauga's cap number. It'd be really nice to see March or Wilson take his job and make him expendable next offseason. Also, you have the Jamaal dilemma, who would instantly free up 7 million, or Colquitt who frees up over 4 million... hell, Tyler Bray even approaches 2 million.

What do you think Dorsey does to save the world this time? Discuss

jspchief · 05-15-2016, 04:32 PM

The window is probably closing. Between age and contracts, the defense is likely to be on the decline. You can't reasonably expect to replace guys like DJ and Hali with late round draft picks, and it's hard to imagine a team being able to afford these large defense contracts year after year. Houston, Berry, and Poe could be big enough contracts on their own to hamstring the team.

The team had a really nice run on draft picks but unfortunately made very little hay when the sun was shining.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-15-2016, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

They can keep the players they want to keep, but FA will be quiet on the incoming player front.

As it should be.

Draft, develop and re-sign your own.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-15-2016, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

The window is probably closing. Between age and contracts, the defense is likely to be on the decline. You can't reasonably expect to replace guys like DJ and Hali with late round draft picks, and it's hard to imagine a team being able to afford these large defense contracts year after year. Houston, Berry, and Poe could be big enough contracts on their own to hamstring the team.

The team had a really nice run on draft picks but unfortunately made very little hay when the sun was shining.

Yeah, I fully disagree with this statement.

The Chiefs will have a shit ton of draft picks next year due to the Comp Picks, which can be traded in 2017. There's no reason why the Chiefs can't draft DJ or Hali's replacement in the first and second round of next year's draft, while addressing safety and other concerns in the third or by bundling up picks for another 2nd round choice.

Jones was drafted as a possible replacement for Poe and Dorsey said this past week that he wants Jones to push his way into the starting lineup this season.

RunKC · 05-15-2016, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Jones was drafted as a possible replacement for Poe and Dorsey said this past week that he wants Jones to push his way into the starting lineup this season.

Woah I missed this. If Jones beats out one of the starters than he's having an outstanding rookie year.

Bailey, Howard and Poe are all studs. Would be crazy if this kid could beat one of them out.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-15-2016, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Woah I missed this. If Jones beats out one of the starters than he's having an outstanding rookie year.

Bailey, Howard and Poe are all studs. Would be crazy if this kid could beat one of them out.

It's in the PFT interview with Dorsey

jspchief · 05-15-2016, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I fully disagree with this statement.

The Chiefs will have a shit ton of draft picks next year due to the Comp Picks, which can be traded in 2017. There's no reason why the Chiefs can't draft DJ or Hali's replacement in the first and second round of next year's draft, while addressing safety and other concerns in the third or by bundling up picks for another 2nd round choice.

Jones was drafted as a possible replacement for Poe and Dorsey said this past week that he wants Jones to push his way into the starting lineup this season.

This defense was built on first round picks. The odds of maintaining this level of talent even continuing to use first round picks aren't good. The odds of doing it with late rounders are even worse.

The Chiefs had a nice run on first rounders that would be hard to duplicate. The fact that they're unlikely to be picking top half of the draft makes it that much tougher.

It's great that you think every draft pick is a homerun, but it's not very realistic.

**The Franchise** · 05-15-2016, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

This defense was built on first round picks. The odds of maintaining this level of talent even continuing to use first round picks aren't good. The odds of doing it with late rounders are even worse.

The Chiefs had a nice run on first rounders that would be hard to duplicate. The fact that they're unlikely to be picking top half of the draft makes it that much tougher.

It's great that you think every draft pick is a homerun, but it's not very realistic.

1st round picks of the old regime. Dorsey has shown that he can draft starters beyond the 1st round.

RunKC · 05-15-2016, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

This defense was built on first round picks. The odds of maintaining this level of talent even continuing to use first round picks aren't good. The odds of doing it with late rounders are even worse.

The Chiefs had a nice run on first rounders that would be hard to duplicate. The fact that they're unlikely to be picking top half of the draft makes it that much tougher.

It's great that you think every draft pick is a homerun, but it's not very realistic.

Ron Parker, Husain Abdullah, Sean Smith and Jaye Howard are/were all above average defenders. They were all cheap as hell and weren't draft picks.

BryanBusby · 05-15-2016, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As it should be.

Draft, develop and re-sign your own.

Yep. If you're making big splashes in FA, you're making a lot of shit moves.

See: Miami Dolphins

jspchief · 05-15-2016, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

1st round picks of the old regime. Dorsey has shown that he can draft starters beyond the 1st round.

Starters? Sure. Berry level? DJ level? Hali level?

Yeah, occasionally they could find a Houston. But regularly? It's hard enough to hit on a 5th overall, let alone a 25th or 45th.

staylor26 · 05-15-2016, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Starters? Sure. Berry level? DJ level? Hali level?

Yeah, occasionally they could find a Houston. But regularly? It's hard enough to hit on a 5th overall, let alone a 25th or 45th.

Umm Marcus Peters? Travis Kelce? Mitch Morse?

All 3 of those guys are among the best at their positions. Chris Jones could potentially be also. Shit, Eric Fisher could be too. He could easily develop into a top 10 LT this year. Dee Ford could possibly develop into a quality 8-10 sacks a year pass rusher.

What about his ability to get guys like that in FA? (Maclin, Smith, Schwartz)

This team was a playoff caliber squad without Houston, Charles, or Hali healthy.

Good grief, you're a ****ing moron.

RunKC · 05-15-2016, 05:57 PM

Nick Williams had a solid year last season as a rotational player. He was stout against the run and pushed the pocket on quite a few plays.

If he keeps up the run defense and notches a few sacks as a rotational player, (also assuming Jones has a good rookie year), I'd strongly consider letting Poe go and use that money to pay a much smaller contract to Williams and use he rest to snag a FA.

jspchief · 05-15-2016, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Umm Marcus Peters? Travis Kelce? Mitch Morse?

All 3 of those guys are among the best at their positions. Chris Jones could potentially be also. Shit, Eric Fisher could be too. He could easily develop into a top 10 LT this year. Dee Ford could possibly develop into a quality 8-10 sacks a year pass rusher.

This team was a playoff caliber squad without Houston, Charles, or Hali healthy.

Good grief, you're a ****ing moron.

Mitch Morse is among the best at his position? Peters has played 1 year. Kelce could be the greatest TE to ever play and have little impact on the teams ability to win in the post season (Gonzalez anyone?). "Chris Jones could potentially be the best at his position"... he could "potentially" be the next Caitlin Jenner too... you're just throwing shit on the wall at this point.

And tell me more about Fisher, THE FIRST ****ING OVERALL PICK, and how that contradicts what I said in this thread. Dee Ford. First round. Marcus Peters. First round. English, mother****er. Do you speak it?

You toss around things like "football knowledge" and "moron" but 95% of what you say on this forum is full on deep-throating homerism with no basis in fact or common sense. The reality is you're a ****ing joke that probably didn't play football beyond high school and the only people that agree with you are the other ****ing Chiefs cheerleaders like Dane, and Pugs.

You're a ****ing clown that cant back up a single opinion with anything other than the rainbows and unicorns you shove up your ass while sucking the dick of every move the Chiefs make. **** off cheerleader.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 05-15-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Let's recap what has been said all offseason regarding this:

-The cap will again inflate in 2017 like it did this year. That's why teams went full reerun in FA. I'd expect a $10m cap rise putting us at $16m (projected).

That cap raise is already figured in on OverTheCap. It's still 6 million with that. But on the flip side, the combo of Bray, Mauga and Zombo actually would save around 6 million so there's great savings in there.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 05-15-2016, 06:10 PM

Jones could certainly grab a starting spot, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter who is 'starting', Sutton needs to use all 4 of them often and effectively.

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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	The window is probably closing. Between age and contracts, the defense is likely to be on the decline. You can't reasonably expect to replace guys like DJ and Hali with late round draft picks, and it's hard to imagine a team being able to afford these large defense contracts year after year. Houston, Berry, and Poe could be big enough contracts on their own to hamstring the team. The team had a really nice run on draft picks but unfortunately made very little hay when the sun was shining. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2259611	Nick Williams had a solid year last season as a rotational player. He was stout against the run and pushed the pocket on quite a few plays. If he keeps up the run defense and notches a few sacks as a rotational player, (also assuming Jones has a good rookie year), I'd strongly consider letting Poe go and use that money to pay a much smaller contract to Williams and use he rest to snag a FA. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9139447	Jones could certainly grab a starting spot, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter who is 'starting', Sutton needs to use all 4 of them often and effectively.
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