St. Louis mayor gets blasted in Deadspin

[Prison Bitch]

If you ever needed another reason to dislike that town across the state, see now this:

The other day, the Wall Street Journal accurately noted that the Cardinals are the most loathsome team in this year's playoffs. Well, Mayor Francis Slay (NOTE: quality lead singer name) wasn't about to take that shit lying down. He took time off from arming the police with rail guns yesterday to pen an op-ed in the WSJ, defending the Cardinals and then doing that thing all politicians do where they trump up their voting district like they're listing their own personal résumé. Let's get into this pile of garbage.

St. Louis to America: Don't Be Jealous

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Yes, St. Louis has an inferiority complex towards Chicago & major East Coast cities. They want so bad to be considered with the same weight as Chicago. Places like Washington University want so badly to be considered an Ivy League school. The city wants so badly to be looked at as a cultural powerhouse. This need stems from the false prophecy of the St. Louis Hegelians. They had many important things to say about the confluence of German Idealism and education, admittedly, but what sticks out to me is their shoddy interpretation of certain Hegelian dialectics to mean that St. Louis, Missouri would become the great cultural center of the world; the next Paris, a future-Prague. This was deeply held belief and it didn't happen, and the scars still show on St. Louis' psyche. So they take it out on their little brother/cousin/neighbor/whatever KC is. Because instead of great success in the areas that the city has always truly wanted, all they have is success in baseball. So, desperately, they cling to that.

What the **** has St. Louis taken out on KC?

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Yes, Kansas City has an inferiority complex towards St. Louis. It's a better city than St. Louis is, but this complex is about sports. KC so very badly wants to be better than STL because who doesn't want to be better than the person who is bullying you? That isn't hyperbole; all of us Royals fans have seen abuse directed at us by Cards fans. It's pathetic and it is ugly. Everyone in the nation sees through the self-superiority of the Cardinals fanbase, but only Royals fans see the worst of it. KC can't get its head out of its own ass when it comes to the constant comparisons to St. Louis. But it is St. Louis' fault that KC's head got stuck there in the first place.

Yes, St. Louis has an inferiority complex towards Chicago & major East Coast cities. They want so bad to be considered with the same weight as Chicago. Places like Washington University want so badly to be considered an Ivy League school. The city wants so badly to be looked at as a cultural powerhouse. This need stems from the false prophecy of the St. Louis Hegelians. They had many important things to say about the confluence of German Idealism and education, admittedly, but what sticks out to me is their shoddy interpretation of certain Hegelian dialectics to mean that St. Louis, Missouri would become the great cultural center of the world; the next Paris, a future-Prague. This was deeply held belief and it didn't happen, and the scars still show on St. Louis' psyche. So they take it out on their little brother/cousin/neighbor/whatever KC is. Because instead of great success in the areas that the city has always truly wanted, all they have is success in baseball. So, desperately, they cling to that.

I get it. You're still young and idealistic and I don't doubt your intellectualism, but care to explain how KC is better than St. Louis? Now I'm not going to try and argue the converse, but that is because as someone who has lived for a considerable amount of time in both cities, I fail to see how anyone could claim one is better than the other. They are both average cities whose significance is greatly overvalued by the people who live there.

Additionally, Wash U. IS better than about half of the Ivy League, and they have the accolades to objectively support that. Also, I'm not so sure that Hegelian philosophy was as pervasive as you seem to infer. While there was no doubt a German influence on the development of the city, the Catholic influence was always greater. It goes without saying that those two ideologies don't mesh at all.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Third Eye

I get it. You're still young and idealistic and I don't doubt your intellectualism, but care to explain how KC is better than St. Louis? Now I'm not going to try and argue the converse, but that is because as someone who has lived for a considerable amount of time in both cities, I fail to see how anyone could claim one is better than the other. They are both average cities whose significance is greatly overvalued by the people who live there.

Additionally, Wash U. IS better than about half of the Ivy League, and they have the accolades to objectively support that. Also, I'm not so sure that Hegelian philosophy was as pervasive as you seem to infer. While there was no doubt a German influence on the development of the city, the Catholic influence was always greater. It goes without saying that those two ideologies don't mesh at all.

It's also ignorant of the fact that St. Louis is now almost an exclusively exurban city, and those who comprise a sizable chunk of the city's population are relatively recent migrants from the Deep South, who would have been in the South during that period. They are concerned far more with the institutional race issues of the city and the community.

That leaves us with the fractional Catholic communities, partially German, but also largely Italian, in composition, as being able to control the consciousness of the community for more than a century afterwards because of an incorrect interpretation of the dialectic?

Please.

[Prison Bitch]

So what are your thoughts on Slays letter Hamas?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So what are your thoughts on Slays letter Hamas?

He's a goddamned fool. Like a successful version of you. A damned embarrassment to the team you root for.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So what are your thoughts on Slays letter Hamas?

I'm not Hamas, but in today's environment he should have just left it alone. The internet LIVES to shit on optimistic people, especially optimistic flyover folk.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's a goddamned fool. Like a successful version of you. A damned embarrassment to the team you root for.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's a goddamned fool. Like a successful version of you. A damned embarrassment to the team you root for.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So what are your thoughts on Slays letter Hamas?

He's out warn his welcome as mayor of St. Louis and shouldn't have mentioned anything regarding the County if he ignored Ferguson.

[lewdog]

I'm a Royals fan rooting for the Cards against the Dodgers.

Does that make me a bad Royals fan?

Because right up near my hate for the Yankees, ranks the hate of the Dodgers and the reerunedness of their fans and payroll.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by BDj23

I had some chick at a bar last night lay into me for being a Cards fan. "Why aren't you a Royals fan and support the team from KANSAS?" she said. I've had so many Royals fans puff their chests out to me in the past week. Last night almost every Royals fan at the bar was cheering for the Dodgers.

I was rooting for KC against the Angels, but that kind of crap makes it hard.

I love these anecdotal stories from PHogistanians. It's interesting to hear them morph into baseball analogies.

The only thing you forgot to say was "the biggest victory for a Royals fan, is a STL loss".

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Thank you. I respect the Cards but it was BRCs dud about the Royals "modeling themselves after STL" that started my jihad about their struggles vs the AL. If you swapped them with Oak/Ana/Tex/Det the past 15 years their tune would be soooooo different.

Admittedly, that "Cardinal Way" comment painted a ****ing portrait of how self absorbed folks can be when it comes to their team's success.

Cardinal way? Is that drafting one of the top five players of the generation in 470th round (and then heckling folks to the West because "we took him from under your nose, how'd you miss him?). Or playing in a division that you can't possibly lose?

In my life, I've had many, many great experiences in STL. My mom spent her formative years there and worked at Sportsmen's Park as a teen. I spent a lot of summer evenings as a boy visiting relatives in STL and going to games in old Busch Stadium (when they were terrible) and learning what a historically great franchise the Cards had, while my hometown franchise was just getting off the ground.

So, I didn't always dislike the Cards or their fans. But every so often... Yea that dislike creeps back in like a flu bug.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's a goddamned fool. Like a successful version of you. A damned embarrassment to the team you root for.

OMG..

[bdj23]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

I love these anecdotal stories from PHogistanians. It's interesting to hear them morph into baseball analogies.

The only thing you forgot to say was "the biggest victory for a Royals fan, is a STL loss".

Uh, no I didn't and it actually happened.. But nice try you emaw hack.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Admittedly, that "Cardinal Way" comment painted a ****ing portrait of how self absorbed folks can be when it comes to their team's success.

What a bunch of BS. The butthurt is so strong in some Royals fans.

I have years, ****ing years of supporting the fans of the Royals on this board.

All I was saying was the "Cardinal way" was to draft and develop players. It's the best way for a baseball team that doesn't have a $2 billion cable TV contract in 2014 to maintain consistent success. If you think the Royals can do it a different way, your delusional. So all these sand in the vagina comments are getting pathetic.