Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 102

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Sassy Squatch · 10-31-2018, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Here was my reasoning for being weary about his extension before it was done.

I just find it a very odd situation that seems to clearly be missing huge chunks of the puzzle

Seems like your reasoning was right. It sucks but theres no reason to pour even more money into that sunk cost.

**Easy 6** · 10-31-2018, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

Are you saying this situation isn't very weird? Has anyone ever been day to day for 3 months? Has any team acted like its up to the player to decide when it's time and then a month later the player still isn't playing?

BAM

Mecca · 10-31-2018, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

BAM

Guys return from bone breaks faster than this.

MTG#10 · 10-31-2018, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Do you think we have some safety of Berry's level waiting in the wings?

What exactly is Eric Berry's level? One of our cheerleaders. That is Eric Berry's level.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-31-2018, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Guys return from bone breaks faster than this.

We're nearing ACL territory.

booger · 10-31-2018, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

Looks like the best way is to remove the Achilles and grind down the spur.

I'm betting it's him not wanting that. It would have been in the teams best interest at this point to have had that surgery in the summer at the latest

That’s what I keep going back to in thought is the location of the spur. Years ago I’m talking about former DL John Browning and either a chiefs dot com presser or star article and Carl Peterskin talking about Johns recovery time frame and remember hearing or reading him say the Achilles tear was high enough in the tendon, not low in the tendon that they had no concerns about ability to come back and when the tear is low enough close to the heel is where they worry with football players and it potentially being career ending. That’s 20 years ago and medicine has obviously advanced but that’s the confusing part to me is where they would have to detach/cut the tendon to actually get to the spur. Then the natural thought to me who knows jack shit with the construction of the heel leg foot is why don’t they try to get at it arthroscopicly with some mini dremel set up and debur that sumbitch. I don’t know if any of that’s accurate but it’s my thoughts every time I think of the end game on him getting that fixed. I could be reading things all wrong.

**SAUTO** · 10-31-2018, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Tons of assumptions in here based on little to no data

Same goes for you

**SAUTO** · 10-31-2018, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

We're nearing ACL territory.

We're way past that. We are over 13 months since he's played

Mecca · 10-31-2018, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

We're nearing ACL territory.

I ruptured a ****ing tendon and within a 3 month span I had it reattached let it heal was walking again and going to rehab...

It's kind of insane how long all of this is lasting.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-31-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

We're way past that. We are over 13 months since he's played

****. You're right.

**Easy 6** · 10-31-2018, 04:49 PM

The media really needs to reach down and grab a pair on this issue... time to clear the air

**notorious** · 10-31-2018, 04:53 PM

Should have just amputated right after he went down 14 months ago.

booger · 10-31-2018, 04:57 PM

I have a deformed penis from too much masterbation

Halfcan · 10-31-2018, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I ruptured a ****ing tendon and within a 3 month span I had it reattached let it heal was walking again and going to rehab...

It's kind of insane how long all of this is lasting.

Can you cover a tight end and play the run?

Because nobody can on the Chiefs.

booger · 10-31-2018, 04:59 PM

Got a bone spurs on both wrists from how I have to grip my cock

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1846899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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