Alpha WR's

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think you are just reading way too much into the guy.

If NFL teams agree with you he won't get drafted in the 1st.

I asked you to bet the under on 4.59 going off what I saw on tape. I said Worthy would run at least a 4.29. I don't think that's "reading" into anything. I said immediately after he ran 4.34 that I had more questions than I had before and then he outright confirmed he was half-assing it a lot so he could last the entire game. So now you want him to go into an Andy Reid offense that runs these guys all over the place. That scares me a little.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I asked you to bet the under on 4.59 going off what I saw on tape. I said Worthy would run at least a 4.29. I don't think that's "reading" into anything. I said immediately after he ran 4.34 that I had more questions than I had before and then he outright confirmed he was half-assing it a lot so he could last the entire game. So now you want him to go into an Andy Reid offense that runs these guys all over the place. That scares me a little.

I don't know, maybe you are reading into it too much?

My belief is he was saying he was focused on getting open, not just running fast down the field. Not "half-assing it".

As to Reid's offense, someone has to line up outside. He can do that and he can line up in the slot too.

No big deal.

Maybe you should be more concerned about Worthy outside against NFL corners rather than if Adonai could get open from the slot.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I don't know, maybe you are reading into it too much?

My belief is he was saying he was focused on getting open, not just running fast down the field. Not "half-assing it".

As to Reid's offense, someone has to line up outside. He can do that and he can line up in the slot too.

No big deal.

Maybe you should be more concerned about Worthy outside against NFL corners rather than if Adonai could get open from the slot.

Why would I worry about Worthy on the outside? He was the focal point of college defenses and constantly drew their #1 CB.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Why would I worry about Worthy on the outside? He was the focal point of college defenses and constantly drew their #1 CB.

NFL corners different than college.


It's certainly a bigger question if Worthy can escape top end press than if Adonai could get open from the slot position.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

NFL corners different than college.


It's certainly a bigger question if Worthy can escape top end press than if Adonai could get open from the slot position.

So, you have no concern about your boy struggling to produce against the lesser college CB most weeks? I do.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

So, you have no concern about your boy struggling to produce against the lesser college CB most weeks? I do.

You’re way too driven by college production.

Parris Campbell was the focal at Ohio State.

Did not make him an NFL focal.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

You’re way too driven by college production.

Parris Campbell was the focal at Ohio State.

Did not make him an NFL focal.

You are using a terrible example if you want to make one. Injuries are the reason for Parris Campbell not being a great player.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I asked you to bet the under on 4.59 going off what I saw on tape. I said Worthy would run at least a 4.29. I don't think that's "reading" into anything. I said immediately after he ran 4.34 that I had more questions than I had before and then he outright confirmed he was half-assing it a lot so he could last the entire game. So now you want him to go into an Andy Reid offense that runs these guys all over the place. That scares me a little.

I tend to agree with Steve Smith's take - he ain't half assing, he's pacing his routes to get the corner out of position and then exploding past them when they do. I guess you had Terrion Arnold's speed pegged at like 4.7 then? Cause he burnt Arnold to a crisp for a whole game - reflecting his play speed.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I tend to agree with Steve Smith's take - he ain't half assing, he's pacing his routes to get the corner out of position and then exploding past them when they do. I guess you had Terrion Arnold's speed pegged at like 4.7 then? Cause he burnt Arnold to a crisp for a whole game - reflecting his play speed.

I don't grade a player on one game. So if the argument is "Well he beat Alabama's great corners" then the argument is flawed. He had 3 catches in that Alabama game. If two of those receptions didn't go for TDs, would you still be singing his praises? Probably not.

But beyond that, I didn't conclude by watching one casual play that he doesn't play fast. If I agreed with route pacing as the entirety of the excuse, I wouldn't be questioning his play speed. Route variation is something you look for. Amari Cooper is a master class in route pacing. Speed looks like and issue on tape repeatedly, which includes having to push off to open at the end of a go route, or not being able to outrun coverage on a completion where he should as a 4.3 player.

I'm going to pull up his highlight reel for now. At 0;34, this is good route pacing. That's what you're looking for. Not looking at a lot of the running in quicksand moments.



I don't even dislike Mitchell. I actually kind of like Mitchell. I don't know that he'd be the guy Reid would prefer. This is a team that relies on a lot of speed and quickness and a ton of movement. I don't think he has the consistency there.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I don't grade a player on one game. So if the argument is "Well he beat Alabama's great corners" then the argument is flawed. He had 3 catches in that Alabama game. If two of those receptions didn't go for TDs, would you still be singing his praises? Probably not.

But beyond that, I didn't conclude by watching one casual play that he doesn't play fast. If I agreed with route pacing as the entirety of the excuse, I wouldn't be questioning his play speed. Route variation is something you look for. Amari Cooper is a master class in route pacing. Speed looks like and issue on tape repeatedly, which includes having to push off to open at the end of a go route, or not being able to outrun coverage on a completion where he should as a 4.3 player.

I'm going to pull up his highlight reel for now. At 0;34, this is good route pacing. That's what you're looking for. Not looking at a lot of the running in quicksand moments.



I don't even dislike Mitchell. I actually kind of like Mitchell. I don't know that he'd be the guy Reid would prefer. This is a team that relies on a lot of speed and quickness and a ton of movement. I don't think he has the consistency there.

I mean, I feel like you are throwing out the fact that he drew like 2 huge pass interference calls as Arnold was literally grabbing him and tackling him because he couldn't cover him. Oh and then Texas literally killed the clock for the last half of the fourth quarter. Context matters - Worthy also had a great game though. But his impact was muted compared to Mitchell.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I mean, I feel like you are throwing out the fact that he drew like 2 huge pass interference calls as Arnold was literally grabbing him and tackling him because he couldn't cover him. Oh and then Texas literally killed the clock for the last half of the fourth quarter. Context matters - Worthy also had a great game though. But his impact was muted compared to Mitchell.

I wouldn't feel like 5/75/1 is muted against that team.

I also feel like you guys are significantly overstating Mitchell's performance this year while significantly discounting other's performances and you're all doing it based on traits. It's fine but be honest about it and stop discounting how good some other WRs were.

Acting like Mitchell was in the same stratosphere as Troy Franklin is silly. He just wasn't. He didn't do anything as good as Franklin. But, he does have better pro traits. Acting like Worthy wasn't the better WR at Texas is also silly because he was. Discounting Worthy and Franklin's pro projection despite spread offensive schemes in the NFL now is also silly to me. Not all small WRs get broke and not all big WRs with speed work out.

Mitchell might end up the better pro player if he reaches his potential, but he's not better now. He's also not the best fit for this team. I won't be disappointed even a little if Veach takes him though, so let's be crystal clear on that. I don't hate the player. I just think we're not being realistic with what's actually on tape for any of these guys and the specific things Andy requests of his WRs, especially our Z.