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Old 02-13-2013, 09:19 PM   #1
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Jim Kelly threw for 35k, he win any SBs?
He played in 4.

We've won FOUR playoff games period in 40 years.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:21 PM   #2
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He played in 4.

We've won FOUR playoff games period in 40 years.
He didn't win any of them. If a player took this team to 4 SBs and lost all of them they'd be thought of worse than Lin Elliott.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:21 PM   #3
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He didn't win any of them. If a player took this team to 4 SBs and lost all of them they'd be thought of worse than the kicker that shall go unnamedt.
Absolutely not.

The Bills are such a statistical outlier it's not even really worth using them as an example for anything...other than drafting a 1st round QB = a lot of god damn sustained success if you hit.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:22 PM   #4
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He didn't win any of them. If a player took this team to 4 SBs and lost all of them they'd be thought of worse than the kicker that shall go unnamedt.
I can only speak for myself and no, I wouldn't think of him worse than anyone. I'd be erecting a statue for him.

But it's pretty obvious I have different goals for the team I root for than most people.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:20 PM   #5
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Jim Kelly threw for 35k, he win any SBs?
Are you serious?
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:22 PM   #6
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Are you serious?
Are you with the bullshit "Kevin Greene had 160 sacks and never won one". It's an atrocious argument that really can swing on both sides.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:24 PM   #7
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Are you with the bullshit "Kevin Greene had 160 sacks and never won one". It's an atrocious argument that really can swing on both sides.
Name a pass rusher who led a team to a SB win.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:14 PM   #8
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If Clowney turns out to be as good as Hali he still isn't making us win anything. The importance of the QB is so magnified that even an above average to even average QB is a better option than Clowney or any other elite pass rusher.


And the point that a few have made about Clowney being rendered essentially useless because of no ability from the offense to score is something that can't be overlooked.

Houston dumped Mario and still won 12 games with what can only be considered a middle of the road QB.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:15 PM   #9
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If Clowney turns out to be as good as Hali he still isn't making us win anything. The importance of the QB is so magnified that even an above average to even average QB is a better option than Clowney or any other elite pass rusher.


And the point that a few have made about Clowney being rendered essentially useless because of no ability from the offense to score is something that can't be overlooked.

Houston dumped Mario and still won 12 games with what can only be considered a middle of the road QB.
They replaced Williams with a better player.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:15 PM   #10
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I just wouldn't be willing to role with Clowney and Glennon or Manuel, if a run on QB's happened.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:19 PM   #11
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This goes back to my other post then. You are basically saying at 2.2 we have no shot at any QB worth shit, and I disagree with that.

I don't think Geno Smith is the end all, be all at QB in this draft.
The argument can easily be made that there isn't much difference than Geno, Wilson, and Barkley. But if you want to say the guys we can get at 2.2 are just as good options, that is not an argument that can be made. Also, Jags get two picks before we choose a QB...no thanks?
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:21 PM   #12
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Wrong.

Shit dude, Derrick Thomas is a ****ing HOF pass rusher. Didn't win shit, didn't even get close the last 7 years of his career.

Why? No QB.

And in the last 10, hell the last TWENTY years I can't think of a single team that won a Super Bowl because they took a pass rusher over a QB.

You know how you win SBs?

You get the Troy Aikman, and then you go trade for Charles Haley.

Or you have the John Elway and you go sign Neil Smith.

**** Jadaveon Clowney, especially as our third pass rusher.
So we couldnt trade up and grab a qb? Interesting.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:22 PM   #13
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So we couldnt trade up and grab a qb? Interesting.
Could we? Sure.

Is it likely? No.

You don't gamble to get value. This whole discussion is absurd.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:23 PM   #14
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If that's who they are targeting, then I absolutely am advocating that.

Picking a QB at 2.2 means Mike Glennon or Ryan Nassib or EJ Manuel. We might as well roll with Alex Smith.

I guess I should say, you might as well roll with Alex Smith. Because I'm done. I've put in my time and I'm not down for more.
Glennon probably goes in round 1 or to the Jags if they don't take one second because he looks like a QB. I absolutely don't what him.
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Reggie White never wins SHIT if the Packers don't have Brett Favre.

Disagree?

I mean how'd he do in Philly?
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