Peyton Manning

[Hootie]

So...

Do you guys still think Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning?

Everyone always said that he played with the better supporting cast...which is why Tom was better.

Now Peyton is playing behind a terrible offensive line and throwing to the likes of Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon...having arguably his best year ever...just like I always said...it wasn't the OTHER players...it was Peyton Manning.

So...

Is Brady still better than Manning?

Just curious.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by SDChiefs

Watch a game or two without being googly eyed towards Peyton wishing you were the center with him bent over you and hands all up on your balls. You have a man crush on that guy that borderlines on stalking. I posted earlier in this thread their career numbers and they are VERY similar. Yet Tom wins in the playoffs and Peyton does not. Not to mention Peyton, until maybe 07 has had FARRRRRRR better offensive weapons. You ignore the facts. Down play the Colts players and extremely overhype the Pats players. Youre about as realistic as the Boogie Man or Santa Clause.

True. Until Brady got Moss, he made chicken salad with chicken shit on offense.

[milkman]

Bottom line.

My argument has always been that Manning has not consistently stepped up and made plays in the last miuntes of games that the Colts need him to do just that.

This SB is just another prime example of that.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by milkman

Bottom line.

My argument has always been that Manning has not consistently stepped up and made plays in the last miuntes of games that the Colts need him to do just that.

This SB is just another prime example of that.

This has been the premise of EVERY argument on this subject, but Hootie is too ****ing stupid to understand that.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

when did Manning "dink and dunk" in the AFC Championship game?

He made several down field throws to Garcon and Collie that were right on the money.

Name one tough throw Brees had to make in the Super Bowl.

GO!

Kill yourself

[Halfcan]

FUG Mangina and his brudder

[shitgoose]

http://www.manningface.com

probably a repost but what the hell

[dallaschiefsfan]

Might as well add this to the fire:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/0...iscussion-form

With the exception of switching the top two (a clear muff on Fox's part) and putting Staubach above Manning and Brady, I'm generally pleased with their list. At the least, it's a better representation than the abortion for a list that many of the guys put out that pretend nothing exitsted prior to Manning.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Might as well add this to the fire:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/0...iscussion-form

With the exception of switching the top two (a clear muff on Fox's part) and putting Staubach above Manning and Brady, I'm generally pleased with their list. At the least, it's a better representation than the abortion for a list that many of the guys put out that pretend nothing exitsted prior to Manning.

1. John Elway: Tremendous athleticism. He was Vince Young, except he could throw it accurately to any place on the field. Defensive coordinators and safeties feared his long arm so much that running backs Gaston Green, Bobby Humphrey and Sammy Winder all earned Pro Bowl berths taking handoffs from Elway. But the myth is Elway benefitted from Terrell Davis and Davis didn't benefit from Elway. Made the Broncos relevant and dangerous for 16 straight years.


2. Joe Montana: In 10 seasons as a full-time starter in San Francisco, Montana won four Super Bowls, three SB MVPs and two AP league MVPs. He finishes No. 2 because he's not as big, strong and athletic as Elway. Montana excelled in a rhythm and timing passing game. How would he perform in the era when DBs were actually allowed to defend receivers?


3. Johnny Unitas: On this, I defer to the old-timers who swear Mr. Unitas was as good as the modern QBs. He tossed 32 touchdowns in 1959! He led 34 fourth-quarter comebacks, which is second-best all time. He was MVP of the league three times and first-team all-pro five times. He dominated and defined the position throughout the 1960s.


4. Dan Marino: I don't care that he never won a Super Bowl. The dude was awesome. Marino -- not Elway -- holds the record for fourth-quarter comeback victories with 36. Elway is credited with 47, but indisputable research at profootball-reference.com proves that Marino is the real record holder. Marino set the table for the game we have today. His 48-TD, 5,000-yard sophomore season is the equivalent of Wilt Chamberlain's 50-points-a-game season.


5. Steve Young: You could make a strong case for Young being No. 2 behind Elway. He's just as athletic as Elway. Problem is, Young's resume isn't quite long enough to justify it. He had seven great seasons in San Francisco. He rode the bench behind Montana for four seasons, wasted two seasons in Tampa Bay and two seasons in the USFL. In seven seasons as a starter, Young made the Pro Bowl seven times, was all-pro three times, won the league's MVP award twice and won a Super Bowl and SB MVP trophy.


6. Tom Brady: Every name listed above his quarterbacked at least one losing team. Brady has never led a loser. Never. To me, he epitomizes winning at the QB position, even more than Montana. Joe had Jerry Rice for three of his four Super Bowl victories. Brady won three Super Bowls with Troy Brown. Brady is a combination old-school, new-school quarterback.


7. Brett Favre: He owns all the records good and bad. He's durable. He's courageous. Teammates love to play with him. He would be a star in the 1920s. It's popular to trash Favre now. The game of football is far better with him than without him. If he comes back next season and gets a second Super Bowl, no one will ever doubt his greatness.


8. Peyton Manning: He might one day move into the top five of this list. But not today. Manning is perfect for the Madden video game era. You put him in the 1960s and 1970s -- when defenders could beat up QBs -- and he just might be Jim Everett. Remember the scrambling play Eli Manning made to win XLII? Peyton would've never have made that play because he would've fallen to the ground long before a defender touched him. Again, I like Peyton. He just has some work to do before we overlook his shortcomings and anoint him.


9. Roger Staubach: People forget he missed four seasons because of his commitment to the Naval Academy. He was a 27-year-old rookie in 1969. Think of what his career might have been without his service to our country. He won two Super Bowls and was a six-time Pro Bowler despite an abbreviated career.


10. Fran Tarkenton: He was a great player in two decades -- the 1960s and '70s. He quarterbacked the Vikings to three Super Bowl appearances. He played 18 seasons. He could scramble. He was an accurate passer, completing 60 percent of his passes five of his final six seasons. This was long before a 60-precent completion rate was common place. We often overlook Tarkenton's sustained greatness.

[Hootie]

It's Whitlock...are we really going to quote his top 10 QB's as gospel? Jesus...

[Sure-Oz]

no jeff george? wtf

[Hootie]

he put a guy at #1 who lost 3 Super Bowls and that seems to be a big "no-no" on this board....

[dallaschiefsfan]

Hey...he got the biggest ranking wrong, but I have to give him his due. He at least has a respect for the many generations of players and sees the bigger picture. He showed love to Tarkenton...which few guys do. And as I've already said here...he AT LEAST gets that Manning isn't even the greatest Colts QB of all time, let alone the greatest eva'

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

well considering I can tell exactly how old you are by the way you post...pretty much.

It must suck to be so young and naive and predictable.

Or maybe you are 15? 16? Did I overshoot it a few years?

@ this kind of response/bullshit from Hootie/The Choke Dragon.

[Thig Lyfe]

Peyton Manning

[evolve27]

Originally Posted by Short Leash Hootie

Tom Brady DOES NOTHING BETTER than Peyton Manning...he is inferior in every way in terms of being an NFL QB...and those who say he is a "winner" or is more "clutch"...are just idiots. That's really all I can say about that.

I'd take Brady over Manning if given a choice. The Gissel factor outweighs everything