Chiefs Mellinger: Chiefs better with Smith, but ghosts of past QB failures linger - Page 3

siberian khatru · 02-27-2013, 02:28 PM

Chiefs better with Smith, but ghosts of past QB failures linger

By SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star

John Dorsey met his wife here. They had barbecue on the Country Club Plaza, a poetically Kansas City way to fall in love. When he became the Chiefs’ new general manager last month, he famously called it his dream job. He doesn’t need to ask anyone for directions here. He knows Kansas City.

Or thought he did, at least.

Judged in a vacuum, the Chiefs just made themselves better. That’s Dorsey’s job, to make the football team better. Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn tag-teamed an awful quarterback situation for the Chiefs last season, and Dorsey knew he had to fix this before anything else.

Trading for Alex Smith — who took the 49ers within a whisker of the Super Bowl two years ago and was the league’s leading passer when he got hurt last year — makes the Chiefs better. To win games in 2013, this was the Chiefs’ best available option. Dorsey is a football man, so this is all he’s concerned with.

What he couldn’t have known is that the baggage Chiefs fans come by honestly means one of the most important decisions he and new coach Andy Reid will ever make here cannot be judged in a vacuum. Impossible.

Chiefs fans have been in an emotionally abusive relationship with quarterbacks for most of the last 40 years, and that’s not stopping now. Kansas City greeted Dorsey and Reid with everything but a parade — remember the Chiefs’ “Welcome Coach” commercial? — so if you’re keeping track, the honeymoon lasted eight weeks for Reid and seven for Dorsey.

In a football sense, the trade makes sense. The Chiefs have the first pick in April’s NFL Draft, but no amount of desperation or references about Todd Blackledge being the last homegrown quarterback to win a game for the Chiefs is going to turn rookie-to-be Geno Smith into Andrew Luck. There are no great options for teams needing quarterback help this offseason.

Dorsey was in the Packers’ circle of trust when they used a first-round pick on Aaron Rodgers despite Brett Favre still being a star. Reid used his first pick with the Eagles on Donovan McNabb, but still drafted five more quarterbacks (and added Michael Vick on a free-agent contract) to fortify the position.

There is nothing in Dorsey’s and Reid’s disposition or track record to suggest they have somehow contracted a *****an level of commitment to the franchise’s new import quarterback.

Except, that’s not how it’s taken by a large chunk of the new leadership’s constituency. This is a fiercely passionate fan base that often expects the worst, especially from quarterbacks, and they’ve seen this movie before: San Francisco Quarterback Comes to KC, Part Four.

That means there are few clean, objective opinions on this in Kansas City. Smith’s limitations will be talked about more than his potential. He is a borderline brilliant man — graduated with an economics degree in 2½ years while playing college football — who nearly set the NFL’s record for completion percentage last year. But he is also injury-prone, and now in a system that will likely have him taking more hits.

Smith is smart and especially accurate in short and intermediate routes, but the team that knows him best discarded him at the first opportunity for what was then a second-year backup who hadn’t proved anything. Smith excelled under current 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh, which clouds the way he was figuratively jerked around by San Francisco’s coaches his first five seasons.

In the end, Smith is an upgrade from what the Chiefs had and anything else they were likely to get for 2013. He’s still in his 20s, and two longtime NFL personnel men described him as “an ascending player” in separate conversations on Wednesday. The most clear-headed take is that Smith is an improvement in the short-term and uninspiring in the long-term and is costing too much for the risk.

But the bigger problem for Dorsey and Reid is they are effectively rerunning the same script in Kansas City that’s about to celebrate a 20-year anniversary since the Chiefs’ last playoff win. They are taking fans on the same date that’s ended up in tears so many times before.

That’s not Dorsey’s or Reid’s fault, and probably not even something they should be concerned with. But it is something they’ll have to deal with in their new hometown.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/27...ut-ghosts.html

Hammock Parties · 02-28-2013, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie

oh shit...lolololmao....i forgot about the concussion. GREAT trade, asswipes! Lmao
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Alex Smith is without question a QB who likes to run.

He's already had one concussion and he's getting older.

He's missed a shit ton of games in his NFL career due to injury.

You can see where this is going.

Maybe the silver lining is he'll get horribly ****ing injured and force us to get a QB in the 1st.

BigChiefFan · 02-28-2013, 01:06 AM

Eat shit. Twenty ****ing years is enough to know these ****s just go through the motions and haven't got the slighest clue.

**cdcox** · 02-28-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Namor40

I don't think Alex Smith is much too concerned with the fans reactions towards him, if he plays his game, he'll win the fanbase over.

Yeah we love us some 173 yards passing per game.

BigChiefFan · 02-28-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Namor40

Remind me again when Alex Smith played with Wes Welker and a coming of his best season ever, Randy Moss?????

I for one am quite excited to see the Chiefs with both a real head coach and a real quarterback, its going to be a damn good season and when they make it to the playoffs, I hope you can be a man and come back here and admit just how horribly wrong you were.

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Mecca · 02-28-2013, 01:10 AM

Real QB pretty loose qualification there eh?
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**cdcox** · 02-28-2013, 01:13 AM

Eric Winston is on board with this trade.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-28-2013, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Eric Winston is on board with this trade.

another bonus; that turd will soon be out of my life too! WIN.
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COchief · 02-28-2013, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

You could replace "Alex Smith" with "Matt Cassel", and the giant list of sad ass excuses are the same. And we just kicked that piece of shit loser to the curb.

We don't want your ****ing cast off garbage, no matter how much hope you tie to his ass. If he was so great, you wouldn't be shipping him out. End of story. If he wasn't definitively worse than Kaepernick, he'd still be the starting QB of the 49ers. Your coach's decision tells us much more about him than your pathetic attempts here. He lost his job, after 5 years of struggling to do shit. Franchise QBs don't struggle for 5 years having comparable stats to Matt ****ing Cassel, and get traded by their team, to go on to glory elsewhere.

Kaep took his job, he didn't lose it. I believe he was the highest rated QB in the league when he got benched. Do you not remember all the shit Harbaugh took for making the change?

Joe Montana was "definitely worse" that Steve Young when we traded for him, does that mean he sucked? Kaep took the 9ers to the SB and almost won it. Don't act like Kaep is some shit stain that Smith couldn't beat out, he's a special talent.

Also Brees, Brunell, Schaub, Warner, Gannon, and Farve would all like a word with you. They all went on to "glory" with their 2nd/3rd/4th teams.

el borracho · 02-28-2013, 09:12 AM

Someone should ask Clark WTF happened to emulating the Steelers organization. I guess you can lump in a handful of games by Maddox and Tomczak but, over the last 20 years, the Steelers have largely started quarterbacks that they drafted and developed. And in no case were these the first quarterbacks selected in the draft and in no case did the Steelers trade a fortune to acquire these quarterbacks.

The stated goal was to imitate the Steelers and build through the draft, and yet the Chiefs have done the exact opposite for the last twenty years and continue to do the opposite. I don't even like this Chiefs team and I haven't liked them for probably twenty of the twenty five years I have been a fan. I am done. Until the Chiefs draft, develop and start a QBOTF I will not watch another game.

Fish · 02-28-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by COchief

Kaep took his job, he didn't lose it. I believe he was the highest rated QB in the league when he got benched. Do you not remember all the shit Harbaugh took for making the change?

Joe Montana was "definitely worse" that Steve Young when we traded for him, does that mean he sucked? Kaep took the 9ers to the SB and almost won it. Don't act like Kaep is some shit stain that Smith couldn't beat out, he's a special talent.

Also Brees, Brunell, Schaub, Warner, Gannon, and Farve would all like a word with you. They all went on to "glory" with their 2nd/3rd/4th teams.

LOL.... took his job, lost his job, there's no ****ing difference. The wording is irrelevant. What matters is that the 49ers thought Kaepernick provided a better chance to win than Smith. Kaepernick is a special talent. And Alex Smith obviously is not, because the 49ers tossed him aside for someone else. Nobody is getting excited about acquiring the loser of the situation. This team needs special talent. Not the guy who was replaced for special talent.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-28-2013, 10:40 AM

this team needs special ed.
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Reerun_KC · 02-28-2013, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie

this team needs special ed.
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people supporting this trade are special eds

**morphius** · 02-28-2013, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Not being concerned with history led to this abortion of a trade.

What's ****ing next? Are we going to spend 3 of our next 4 first rounders on defensive linemen? I know Andy likes drafting defensive linemen a lot, so he probably shouldn't be too concerned with history or anything with his new team.

No, we are going back to the 90's, SF QB's and OT's in the first... yippee...

COchief · 02-28-2013, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

LOL.... took his job, lost his job, there's no ****ing difference. The wording is irrelevant. What matters is that the 49ers thought Kaepernick provided a better chance to win than Smith. Kaepernick is a special talent. And Alex Smith obviously is not, because the 49ers tossed him aside for someone else. Nobody is getting excited about acquiring the loser of the situation. This team needs special talent. Not the guy who was replaced for special talent.

Bullshit, Brady took Bledsoe's job, Kaep took Smith's job. Cassel lost his job, Quinn didn't take shit. Huge difference.

I don't think Smith is the second coming, but applying your ridiculous philosophy to Montana/Young or shit even Farve/Hasselbeck/Brunell or Vick/Schaub doesn't hold up dipshit. Young was better, Favre was better, everyone believed Vick was better. It doesn't mean the 2nd guy sucked, sometimes they're good and sometimes they're Cassel. It's a gamble, just like every free agent, draft pick, and trade.

Just because someone is better doesn't mean everyone else absolutely sucks does it? Everyone but Jordan blows? Everyone but Montana sucked? How did Montana get replaced? The best qb of all time suddenly was shit because someone behind him was better?

Have you realized you're stupid yet or do I need to continue?

02-27-2013, 02:28 PM
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2364950	Mellinger: Chiefs better with Smith, but ghosts of past QB failures linger Chiefs better with Smith, but ghosts of past QB failures linger By SAM MELLINGER The Kansas City Star John Dorsey met his wife here. They had barbecue on the Country Club Plaza, a poetically Kansas City way to fall in love. When he became the Chiefs’ new general manager last month, he famously called it his dream job. He doesn’t need to ask anyone for directions here. He knows Kansas City. Or thought he did, at least. Judged in a vacuum, the Chiefs just made themselves better. That’s Dorsey’s job, to make the football team better. Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn tag-teamed an awful quarterback situation for the Chiefs last season, and Dorsey knew he had to fix this before anything else. Trading for Alex Smith — who took the 49ers within a whisker of the Super Bowl two years ago and was the league’s leading passer when he got hurt last year — makes the Chiefs better. To win games in 2013, this was the Chiefs’ best available option. Dorsey is a football man, so this is all he’s concerned with. What he couldn’t have known is that the baggage Chiefs fans come by honestly means one of the most important decisions he and new coach Andy Reid will ever make here cannot be judged in a vacuum. Impossible. Chiefs fans have been in an emotionally abusive relationship with quarterbacks for most of the last 40 years, and that’s not stopping now. Kansas City greeted Dorsey and Reid with everything but a parade — remember the Chiefs’ “Welcome Coach” commercial? — so if you’re keeping track, the honeymoon lasted eight weeks for Reid and seven for Dorsey. In a football sense, the trade makes sense. The Chiefs have the first pick in April’s NFL Draft, but no amount of desperation or references about Todd Blackledge being the last homegrown quarterback to win a game for the Chiefs is going to turn rookie-to-be Geno Smith into Andrew Luck. There are no great options for teams needing quarterback help this offseason. Dorsey was in the Packers’ circle of trust when they used a first-round pick on Aaron Rodgers despite Brett Favre still being a star. Reid used his first pick with the Eagles on Donovan McNabb, but still drafted five more quarterbacks (and added Michael Vick on a free-agent contract) to fortify the position. There is nothing in Dorsey’s and Reid’s disposition or track record to suggest they have somehow contracted a *****an level of commitment to the franchise’s new import quarterback. Except, that’s not how it’s taken by a large chunk of the new leadership’s constituency. This is a fiercely passionate fan base that often expects the worst, especially from quarterbacks, and they’ve seen this movie before: San Francisco Quarterback Comes to KC, Part Four. That means there are few clean, objective opinions on this in Kansas City. Smith’s limitations will be talked about more than his potential. He is a borderline brilliant man — graduated with an economics degree in 2½ years while playing college football — who nearly set the NFL’s record for completion percentage last year. But he is also injury-prone, and now in a system that will likely have him taking more hits. Smith is smart and especially accurate in short and intermediate routes, but the team that knows him best discarded him at the first opportunity for what was then a second-year backup who hadn’t proved anything. Smith excelled under current 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh, which clouds the way he was figuratively jerked around by San Francisco’s coaches his first five seasons. In the end, Smith is an upgrade from what the Chiefs had and anything else they were likely to get for 2013. He’s still in his 20s, and two longtime NFL personnel men described him as “an ascending player” in separate conversations on Wednesday. The most clear-headed take is that Smith is an improvement in the short-term and uninspiring in the long-term and is costing too much for the risk. But the bigger problem for Dorsey and Reid is they are effectively rerunning the same script in Kansas City that’s about to celebrate a 20-year anniversary since the Chiefs’ last playoff win. They are taking fans on the same date that’s ended up in tears so many times before. That’s not Dorsey’s or Reid’s fault, and probably not even something they should be concerned with. But it is something they’ll have to deal with in their new hometown. http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/27...ut-ghosts.html
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el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $6199148	Someone should ask Clark WTF happened to emulating the Steelers organization. I guess you can lump in a handful of games by Maddox and Tomczak but, over the last 20 years, the Steelers have largely started quarterbacks that they drafted and developed. And in no case were these the first quarterbacks selected in the draft and in no case did the Steelers trade a fortune to acquire these quarterbacks. The stated goal was to imitate the Steelers and build through the draft, and yet the Chiefs have done the exact opposite for the last twenty years and continue to do the opposite. I don't even like this Chiefs team and I haven't liked them for probably twenty of the twenty five years I have been a fan. I am done. Until the Chiefs draft, develop and start a QBOTF I will not watch another game.
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