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Old 11-01-2018, 04:23 AM  
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Trade deadline update....brief take from Coach Reid
The general feeling in Kansas City post-deadline day is that the Chiefs tried all they could to make a deadline move happen, but the fit and value just weren’t there.

We referred you to the report from friend of the site Terez Paylor (Yahoo! Sports) this morning, who wrote this:

The Chiefs expressed interest in (Landon) Collins, but the Giants weren’t interested in trading him, Yahoo Sports has learned. Same goes for (Patrick) Peterson, who the Cardinals also weren’t open to trading. A source with knowledge of the club’s thinking also told Yahoo Sports that the Chiefs were not interested in (Janoris) Jenkins, an expensive, 30-year-old corner with uneven tape this season.

If you haven’t had the opportunity to yet, read Paylor’s full column for a glimpse into the Chiefs’ thinking. Paylor also goes through the several reasons the Chiefs didn’t trade for safety HaHa Clinton-Dix, who ultimately landed with Alex Smith in Washington. I provided my take on the Chiefs standing pat at the deadline here.

Still-Giants safety Landon Collins told SNY the Giants wanted a first or second-round pick for his services, plus an additional pick next year.




The local Kansas City media asked Chiefs head coach Andy Reid for his take on the quiet deadline on Wednesday. In response, Reid told the media to ask general manager Brett Veach, who wasn’t made available for questions.

“I mean that’d probably be a good question for Brett (Veach),” Reid said. “I know where his mind is, there just wasn’t anything there that he felt he needed to move on. He felt comfortable with doing that. He’s not going to do something just to do it to appease.

“He’s going to do what’s best for the Chiefs and he’s really good about that. That’s just where he’s at.”

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ade-to-appease
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Old 11-01-2018, 09:14 AM   #46
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Chiefs saw these guys as rentals, not part of the long term solution. All there is to it.
And you have nothing to back this up with.
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Old 11-01-2018, 09:15 AM   #47
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The real issue is that we didn't move for any of these guys because of Eric Berry. He needs to get his behind on the field.
He's absolutely ****ing us in 2 ways. His backup is playing some of the worst football at the S position I've seen since Kendrick Lewis, and his contract made it ridiculously hard to do anything on the trade market outside of a half season rental.
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Old 11-01-2018, 09:17 AM   #48
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But the Chiefs held firm, and while it may still come back to bite them in a few months, it wasn’t for a lack of effort. The Chiefs expressed interest in Collins, but the Giants weren’t interested in trading him, Yahoo Sports has learned. Same goes for Peterson, who the Cardinals also weren’t open to trading. A source with knowledge of the club’s thinking also told Yahoo Sports that the Chiefs were not interested in Jenkins, an expensive, 30-year-old corner with uneven tape this season.

The club also monitored the availability of Clinton-Dix, a smooth 25-year-old safety who is set to be a free agent in May, but decided internally it wouldn’t surrender the third-round pick needed to secure his services from the Green Bay Packers. (Washington wound up trading a fourth for him). There were several reasons for that.

For one, Clinton-Dix would have been a tight fit under the cap this year, and the Chiefs — who will need to pay young building blocks like Tyreek Hill and Chris Jones in the near future — knew he’d be hard to re-sign. Especially when you consider the amount of salary and equity they’ve already invested in the safety position, with Eric Berry and Daniel Sorensen combining to take up $18.3 million in cap space, and the fact they just invested a 2018 fourth-rounder in Armani Watts and a 2020 seventh for Jordan Lucas.

Add all that together, and they just couldn’t justify using a premium, top-100 asset on a rental player they liked but didn’t necessarily see as a game-changer.


Rental player.


Rental player.













Rental player.
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Old 11-01-2018, 09:21 AM   #49
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Just a question. If Berry would retire, what effect would that have on the cap? His newest problem is not really a football injury. The team negotiated in good faith for his services and he couldn't provide them due to a physical problem.
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But the Chiefs held firm, and while it may still come back to bite them in a few months, it wasn’t for a lack of effort. The Chiefs expressed interest in Collins, but the Giants weren’t interested in trading him, Yahoo Sports has learned. Same goes for Peterson, who the Cardinals also weren’t open to trading. A source with knowledge of the club’s thinking also told Yahoo Sports that the Chiefs were not interested in Jenkins, an expensive, 30-year-old corner with uneven tape this season.

The club also monitored the availability of Clinton-Dix, a smooth 25-year-old safety who is set to be a free agent in May, but decided internally it wouldn’t surrender the third-round pick needed to secure his services from the Green Bay Packers. (Washington wound up trading a fourth for him). There were several reasons for that.

For one, Clinton-Dix would have been a tight fit under the cap this year, and the Chiefs — who will need to pay young building blocks like Tyreek Hill and Chris Jones in the near future — knew he’d be hard to re-sign. Especially when you consider the amount of salary and equity they’ve already invested in the safety position, with Eric Berry and Daniel Sorensen combining to take up $18.3 million in cap space, and the fact they just invested a 2018 fourth-rounder in Armani Watts and a 2020 seventh for Jordan Lucas.

Add all that together, and they just couldn’t justify using a premium, top-100 asset on a rental player they liked but didn’t necessarily see as a game-changer.
To be fair, that doesn't say they viewed them as rental players. It said they would HAVE to be rental players because the Chiefs are stuck with Sorenson and Berry.

Maybe it's splitting hairs but to me, those are 2 different things.
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Old 11-01-2018, 09:22 AM   #51
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I don't have to be in the room with them.

He was a 4th round pick. How often are 4th round picks taken to be day 1 starters?

Furthermore, he wasn't a day 1 starter so that pretty much proves my point.
Watts wasn't picked to be a "day 1" starter. He was picked because they thought he had the talent and ability to become the starter in a year or 2. They didn't count on the fecal storm of injuries that have the Chiefs playing their #5,6,7 safeties now.
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Old 11-01-2018, 09:23 AM   #52
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Just a question. If Berry would retire, what effect would that have on the cap? His newest problem is not really a football injury. The team negotiated in good faith for his services and he couldn't provide them due to a physical problem.
Him retiring doesn't really help them. They could attempt to recover his pro-rated signing bonus but it doesn't really help the cap hit otherwise.
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Old 11-01-2018, 09:25 AM   #53
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Watts wasn't picked to be a "day 1" starter. He was picked because they thought he had the talent and ability to become the starter in a year or 2. They didn't count on the fecal storm of injuries that have the Chiefs playing their #5,6,7 safeties now.
No team takes a 4th round pick EXPECTING them to ever become a starter.

He was taken to play special teams and HOPE that he could become a starter in the future.
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To be fair, that doesn't say they viewed them as rental players. It said they would HAVE to be rental players because the Chiefs are stuck with Sorenson and Berry.

Maybe it's splitting hairs but to me, those are 2 different things.
Stating the obvious there. Pretty sure they'd like a player like Collins long term but with our money issues he's relegated to nice rental for us.
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There's a shitload of OL that beg to differ. In my world the HOPE level doesn't start until the 6th and 7th rounds. The 5th is the good special teamer/rotational/pushing for playing type of guys.
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Stating the obvious there. Pretty sure they'd like a player like Collins long term but with our money issues he's relegated to nice rental for us.
Absolutely it's obvious.

But I also think it's an important, and fair, distinction to make, especially when evaluating Brett Veach.

The Chiefs didn't WANT to view them as rentals, they HAD to view them as rentals, primarily because of a couple of contracts that Brett Veach had nothing to do with.
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Door #1 - trade a second rounder and spend $15m per year starting next year on a surefire all pro safety

Door #2 - take a low risk gamble on a safety in the draft. Use the $15m savings to bring in a surefire D starter... Maybe multiple.

Apart from losing a 2018 win now rental, I'll definitely choose door #2. We can't surrender high picks given all our needs.
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Door #1 - trade a second rounder and spend $15m per year starting next year on a surefire all pro safety

Door #2 - take a low risk gamble on a safety in the draft. Use the $15m savings to bring in a surefire D starter... Maybe multiple.

Apart from losing a 2018 win now rental, I'll definitely choose door #2. We can't surrender high picks given all our needs.
Never a guarantee. You can't say that.
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Never a guarantee. You can't say that.
Neither would Landon Collins be. I don't think we have to spend that. Just saying at that price tag, it shouldn't be hard to find someone who can contribute.
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Neither would Landon Collins be. I don't think we have to spend that. Just saying at that price tag, it shouldn't be hard to find someone who can contribute.
Nothing is a guarantee.

Well except the fact that they're 7-1 and have the inside track on HFA. But that's now water under the bridge. Hopefully January doesn't end in disappointment. AGAIN.
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