Goodell Presser on now

[Skyy God]

Independent investigation, lol.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by wazu

You're hired.

Damn straight.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Most organizations are concerned about the conduct of their employees. Even out of the office when it involves criminal behavior. Especially when the organization relies on public appeal and sponsorships for revenue, and when they are paying those employees millions of dollars.

How do you explain that to the new Orleans Saints, who threw away an entire season because of a strict punishment by Goodell? How do you explain his actions to the players Union, who watched Welker get suspended for amphetamines for longer than rice?

The NFL is an oligopoly. Goodell doesn't have the right to selectively enforce punishments, often accused of protecting his buddies. I think forever people will wonder why he threw the book at the Saints, then did everything in his power to cover up spygate and Ray rice. Arguably, by selectively choosing punishments he's giving certain teams competitive advantage under a business structure where that is a complete no no.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I would love to have a new commissioner whose opening statement is, "We are going to preserve the integrity of the game. We're going to restore balance on the field, and we're going to make the game of football the central concern of our league. We will protect the league against any actions by players, fans, owners, or any party who sully our reputation. We will likely get smaller as we stop chasing jersey sales and multimedia marketing and fantasy football, but we are going to preserve the core of who we are and what made this game great. We will ensure that your grandchildren enjoy the sport of football as much as you do."

This gives me a hard on

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Most organizations are concerned about the conduct of their employees. Even out of the office when it involves criminal behavior. Especially when the organization relies on public appeal and sponsorships for revenue, and when they are paying those employees millions of dollars.

Let's try this again, since this may be a distinction you don't know about.

NFL players are not employees of the NFL. They are employees of the individual teams.

[BigCatDaddy]

There are going to be some major heads rolling. It sounds like Baltimore knew exactly what happened in the elevator, tried to cover it up and talked Goodell into doing them a solid and only making it two games. Bad stuff

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...er-goodell-nfl

[Chiefnj2]

I don't understand what people want.

For years, all I have read is that Goodell has too much power. Players and fans complain that Roger acts as judge, jury and executioner. Now, people want him to do more and wield more power and authority? Which is it?

The NFL has almost always followed a policy of letting the legal system come to a resolution before deciding NFL punishment. They almost always followed an innocent until proven guilty plan. That's exactly what they are doing in San Fran. In this case, the legal system gave Ray Rice the lightest slap on the wrist that they could. The legal system said - no jail, no probation, just PTI. The NFL followed suit in its punishment of Rice - just like they have done in the past.

Now, people want the NFL to become big brother? The Ray Rice incident was between Ray, his wife and the State of New Jersey. Do people want the NFL, who has no standing in the case, to be able to subpoena witnesses, obtain evidence and become their own judge and jury?

Years ago Roethlisberger was accused of rape in Lake Tahoe and there was an investigation that was eventually dropped. Fans want the NFL to have the power to obtain rape kits, examine the victims, have "independent" doctors make conclusions and then come out with their own form of punishment based on the independent investigation? What if Goodell said, "I know the police don't have enough evidence to pursue a claim, but I believe the young lady and Ben is suspended for life." Sounds like a great plan.

Nobody gave a crap about Hardy playing in week one - nobody. A judge already said guilty, but that wasn't enough to fly banners and have every tv network schill give an opinion. No 6 second video clip - no care.

I can hardly wait to see how they are forced to resolve this. I expect Roger to come out with a 500 page treatise of every off field incident they could think of with a corresponding penalty. 5 hits with a switch, no blood - 2 games. 5+ hits with a switch and blood - 1 year. Bare hand and welt - 1/2 game. Throw a drink in the face of a drunken lady at a bar - 2 games unless female spit on player first, then 1 game. Assault on a male - just boys being boys.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Mennonite

Hopefully, everyone in upper management in every company in America who doesn't properly punish employees accused of domestic violence will be fired soon.

Accused?

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

There are going to be some major heads rolling. It sounds like Baltimore knew exactly what happened in the elevator, tried to cover it up and talked Goodell into doing them a solid and only making it two games. Bad stuff

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...er-goodell-nfl

It's not the crime, it's the coverup.

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Mennonite

Hopefully, everyone in upper management in every company in America who doesn't properly punish employees accused of domestic violence will be fired soon.

Agreed if they have signed contracts with conduct clauses and video showing the 'accused' committing their crime.

[Mojo Rising]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

There are going to be some major heads rolling. It sounds like Baltimore knew exactly what happened in the elevator, tried to cover it up and talked Goodell into doing them a solid and only making it two games. Bad stuff

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...er-goodell-nfl

I have always disliked Bisciotti. I used to work in computer consulting and Aerotek (Teksystems) was one of our competitors on low level projects. This was the company that afforded Bisciotti the opportunity to buy the Ravens.

His business model was hiring only people fresh out of school with no experience. He would then over work/under pay them until they quit. One of my buddies described it as a culture similar to the movie The Firm.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I don't understand what people want.

For years, all I have read is that Goodell has too much power. Players and fans complain that Roger acts as judge, jury and executioner. Now, people want him to do more and wield more power and authority? Which is it?

The NFL has almost always followed a policy of letting the legal system come to a resolution before deciding NFL punishment. They almost always followed an innocent until proven guilty plan. That's exactly what they are doing in San Fran. In this case, the legal system gave Ray Rice the lightest slap on the wrist that they could. The legal system said - no jail, no probation, just PTI. The NFL followed suit in its punishment of Rice - just like they have done in the past.

Now, people want the NFL to become big brother? The Ray Rice incident was between Ray, his wife and the State of New Jersey. Do people want the NFL, who has no standing in the case, to be able to subpoena witnesses, obtain evidence and become their own judge and jury?

Years ago Roethlisberger was accused of rape in Lake Tahoe and there was an investigation that was eventually dropped. Fans want the NFL to have the power to obtain rape kits, examine the victims, have "independent" doctors make conclusions and then come out with their own form of punishment based on the independent investigation? What if Goodell said, "I know the police don't have enough evidence to pursue a claim, but I believe the young lady and Ben is suspended for life." Sounds like a great plan.

Nobody gave a crap about Hardy playing in week one - nobody. A judge already said guilty, but that wasn't enough to fly banners and have every tv network schill give an opinion. No 6 second video clip - no care.

I can hardly wait to see how they are forced to resolve this. I expect Roger to come out with a 500 page treatise of every off field incident they could think of with a corresponding penalty. 5 hits with a switch, no blood - 2 games. 5+ hits with a switch and blood - 1 year. Bare hand and welt - 1/2 game. Throw a drink in the face of a drunken lady at a bar - 2 games unless female spit on player first, then 1 game. Assault on a male - just boys being boys.

What a useless liberal you are... blame everyone except those who dont need blamed.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

How do you explain that to the new Orleans Saints, who threw away an entire season because of a strict punishment by Goodell? How do you explain his actions to the players Union, who watched Welker get suspended for amphetamines for longer than rice?

The NFL is an oligopoly. Goodell doesn't have the right to selectively enforce punishments, often accused of protecting his buddies. I think forever people will wonder why he threw the book at the Saints, then did everything in his power to cover up spygate and Ray rice. Arguably, by selectively choosing punishments he's giving certain teams competitive advantage under a business structure where that is a complete no no.

You're throwing all kinds of different things together here.
He doesn't make the decisions unilaterally. Many are covered under the CBA with the union. Even then, there are varying degrees of conduct and some one has to make a decision. I'd say its probably impossible to please everyone in these situations, and, there's no evidence he did "everything in his power to cover up Ray Rice." I don't even know what his motivation would be for trying to cover it up.

I don't have any particular like for Goodell. To me, he's just a guy who acts on behalf of the owners. People are buttburt over rule changes--that would happen without Goodell. The league is concerned about liability and getting its players injured. I don't have to like the rules, but I understand why they are there.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Let's try this again, since this may be a distinction you don't know about.

NFL players are not employees of the NFL. They are employees of the individual teams.

Carry on acting dumb...or being dumb, which ever it is.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

You're throwing all kinds of different things together here.
He doesn't make the decisions unilaterally. Many are covered under the CBA with the union. Even then, there are varying degrees of conduct and some one has to make a decision. I'd say its probably impossible to please everyone in these situations, and, there's no evidence he did "everything in his power to cover up Ray Rice." I don't even know what his motivation would be for trying to cover it up.

I don't have any particular like for Goodell. To me, he's just a guy who acts on behalf of the owners. People are buttburt over rule changes--that would happen without Goodell. The league is concerned about liability and getting its players injured. I don't have to like the rules, but I understand why they are there.

Even forrest Gump has the intuition to know this was an obvious cover up.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I don't understand what people want.

For years, all I have read is that Goodell has too much power. Players and fans complain that Roger acts as judge, jury and executioner. Now, people want him to do more and wield more power and authority? Which is it?

The NFL has almost always followed a policy of letting the legal system come to a resolution before deciding NFL punishment. They almost always followed an innocent until proven guilty plan. That's exactly what they are doing in San Fran. In this case, the legal system gave Ray Rice the lightest slap on the wrist that they could. The legal system said - no jail, no probation, just PTI. The NFL followed suit in its punishment of Rice - just like they have done in the past.

Now, people want the NFL to become big brother? The Ray Rice incident was between Ray, his wife and the State of New Jersey. Do people want the NFL, who has no standing in the case, to be able to subpoena witnesses, obtain evidence and become their own judge and jury?

Years ago Roethlisberger was accused of rape in Lake Tahoe and there was an investigation that was eventually dropped. Fans want the NFL to have the power to obtain rape kits, examine the victims, have "independent" doctors make conclusions and then come out with their own form of punishment based on the independent investigation? What if Goodell said, "I know the police don't have enough evidence to pursue a claim, but I believe the young lady and Ben is suspended for life." Sounds like a great plan.

Nobody gave a crap about Hardy playing in week one - nobody. A judge already said guilty, but that wasn't enough to fly banners and have every tv network schill give an opinion. No 6 second video clip - no care.

I can hardly wait to see how they are forced to resolve this. I expect Roger to come out with a 500 page treatise of every off field incident they could think of with a corresponding penalty. 5 hits with a switch, no blood - 2 games. 5+ hits with a switch and blood - 1 year. Bare hand and welt - 1/2 game. Throw a drink in the face of a drunken lady at a bar - 2 games unless female spit on player first, then 1 game. Assault on a male - just boys being boys.

How about some consistency or transparency. If I am new Orleans, I stage a major protest. How do you justify Goodell throwing the book at them, investigating the hell out of them, and resolving in 5 days. Meanwhile, he let's the Pats off light for spygate then destroy the evidence? How can he be so strict on enforcement in some cases yet doesn't have common sense to look for security footage. It would be one thing if this was a one time thing. Goodell has been a major **** up since he's come in. He is a sales guy who can make the league more money but is in way over his head about running an actual organization. The NFL needs a commissioner with a backbone before this douche nozzle screws it up.

And by the way, the main reason this is an issue is because Goodell. Made it one. The minute he got on his high horse in year 1 and started fining and suspending players for conduct.