Football Jaye Howard or Sean Smith

kccrow · 01-20-2016, 08:49 PM

Which would you sign.

For the sake of argument, let's assume the following contracts (without getting into the details too much):

Sean Smith gets a 5 year, 52.5 million deal (10.5 per). First year cap hit is 6.6 m to fit cap constraints. Roughly on par with Byron Maxwell's deal (5th highest for a CB).

Jaye Howard gets a 4 year, 36 million deal (9.0 per). First year cap hit is 6.6 m to fit cap constraints. Roughly on par with Derek Wolfe's and Jurrell Casey's deals (6th and 7th highest for 3-4 DE).

**RealSNR** · 01-20-2016, 08:50 PM

Sign Trumaine Johnson instead of Smith.

If you've got the money, then pay Howard.

I'm not saying Smith isn't a good starting CB. It's just right now there are so many other players on defense who need contracts as well, and I'd rather have those guys.

xztop123 · 01-20-2016, 08:55 PM

Sean Smith

saphojunkie · 01-20-2016, 08:57 PM

Probably Howard. Pass rush helps secondary more than the other way around.

nceagle_11 · 01-20-2016, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Probably Howard. Pass rush helps secondary more than the other way around.

I don't think this is right. A good pass rush makes a QB rush a throw or force it into a first read, but with a bad CB, that is still a makeable pass. A CB who can shut down a receiver makes the QB go through reads (especially with another great CB like Peters). This give the pass rush an extra step or more that again leads to bad passes or sacks.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-20-2016, 09:01 PM

Good grief. If some team offers Smith a $52 million dollar deal? He's gone.

Is that team Tennessee or Jacksonville or Washington DC or New Orleans?

That's a bad contract.

RedandGold · 01-20-2016, 09:02 PM

If we're keeping Sutton, and playing man-to-man coverage, Smith is the more valuable of the two. It would be nice if lightning struck twice, and another Peters-caliber CB fell into our laps in the draft, but I just don't see that happening.

Gaines isn't a guy that can step in and fill that role effectively.

**Easy 6** · 01-28-2016, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Probably Howard. Pass rush helps secondary more than the other way around.

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Originally Posted by RedandGold

Gaines isn't a guy that can step in and fill that role effectively.

I'd hate to lose either, but I'm with sapho here, pass rush is everything these days.

Not sure why you'd say that, R&G... what have you seen that tells you he cant?

**RealSNR** · 01-28-2016, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'd hate to lose either, but I'm with sapho here, pass rush is everything these days.

Not sure why you'd say that, R&G... what have you seen that tells you he cant?

Gaines at this point is a carbon copy of Sanders Commings.

If I'm the Chiefs, I'm not trusting him with shit.

staylor26 · 01-28-2016, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Gaines at this point is a carbon copy of Sanders Commings.

If I'm the Chiefs, I'm not trusting him with shit.

I understand your concern, but look around the NFL man. Injuries are going to continue to happen at a ridiculous rate for as long as we have these short training camps and lack of practice time. I don't think it's fair to just label every young guy that has a freak ACL injury and/or other minor injury (I believe it was a concussion in Gaines' case) as a brokedick off the bat.

Gaines is a guy that needed time to be ready physically to play in the NFL as it was, and he made strides his rookie season, then again in the offseason up until that ACL tear. I'm not giving up on him, but I'm definitely signing a Lane type of FA or drafting one of these big ****ing corners to cover my ass.

KCChiefsfan1234 · 01-28-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Gaines at this point is a carbon copy of Sanders Commings.

If I'm the Chiefs, I'm not trusting him with shit.

LOL Gaines played a hell of a lot more than Commings. He played more and played good as well. Please promise me that you won't jump on I love this player or that player when they come back from injury and play well. I can't stand people like you who are so quick to judge a player when they are hurt.

**RealSNR** · 01-28-2016, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan1234

LOL Gaines played a hell of a lot more than Commings. He played more and played good as well. Please promise me that you won't jump on I love this player or that player when they come back from injury and play well. I can't stand people like you who are so quick to judge a player when they are hurt.

"Played more". What the **** does that mean? You mean apart from his multiple missed games in 2014 for various labia sprains, he played more than Sanders Commings? Gee, that's ****ing reassuring.

I don't think it's terrible to say that until Gaines proves that he can stay healthy for an entire season, he doesn't deserve shit from the team, and shouldn't be trusted to serve ANY significant role on the team.

I'll tell you what, let's make a deal on Gaines. If he stays healthy and plays well for the entire season next year, I'll be happy for him and the team all I damn well please, and you can go shove a shotgun up your ****ing anus and blow off the top of your head. Sound good?

**TimBone** · 01-20-2016, 09:04 PM

I'd take Howard in that case.

mcaj22 · 01-20-2016, 09:06 PM

9 million for Howard is the FA steal of the century if you get him do that before he hits the market.

I'm willing to bet Dorsey offered that to him in the middle of the season and he turned it down.

**BossChief** · 01-21-2016, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

9 million for Howard is the FA steal of the century if you get him do that before he hits the market.

I'm willing to bet Dorsey offered that to him in the middle of the season and he turned it down.

He only offered Bailey (the superior player between the 2, IMO) 6per during the season.

I doubt Dorsey risked rocking the boat by offering Howard 9.

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01-20-2016, 08:49 PM	Topic Starter
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3057078	Jaye Howard or Sean Smith Which would you sign. For the sake of argument, let's assume the following contracts (without getting into the details too much): Sean Smith gets a 5 year, 52.5 million deal (10.5 per). First year cap hit is 6.6 m to fit cap constraints. Roughly on par with Byron Maxwell's deal (5th highest for a CB). Jaye Howard gets a 4 year, 36 million deal (9.0 per). First year cap hit is 6.6 m to fit cap constraints. Roughly on par with Derek Wolfe's and Jurrell Casey's deals (6th and 7th highest for 3-4 DE).
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xztop123 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2013 Casino cash: $3770609	Sean Smith
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RedandGold Born with Bad Habits Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Right Here Casino cash: $2499109	If we're keeping Sutton, and playing man-to-man coverage, Smith is the more valuable of the two. It would be nice if lightning struck twice, and another Peters-caliber CB fell into our laps in the draft, but I just don't see that happening. Gaines isn't a guy that can step in and fill that role effectively. __________________
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	9 million for Howard is the FA steal of the century if you get him do that before he hits the market. I'm willing to bet Dorsey offered that to him in the middle of the season and he turned it down.
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