Chiefs Let's talk about signing Ndamukong Suh - Page 8

**BossChief** · 01-29-2015, 01:30 PM

There is almost nothing to talk about regarding Chiefs football right now, so let's talk about a madden level hypothetical that could improve this team.

This teams ONLY chance at a title with Alex Smith is to build a historic defense. This much is certain. No arguments? Cool, let us continue.

Sign Ndamukong Suh.

"What, this idea is beyond silly. Get a grip. Have you seen our cap situation and the fact that we need to give new deals to Hudson and Houston this offseason and then have money for Poe next year..."

But let's talk about how to do it...

1) Bowe gets cut as a post June 1st designation, saving us 9.5 million against the cap. I hate to see the guy go on to have a couple really strong years elsewhere, but he simply isn't cost effective here. I know that's due to Alex Smith, but he's not going anywhere the next 2 years...so it's time to build around his strengths.

2) Cut the dead weight. Avery, Fasano, Devito, Mays and Jenkins. This group of suck totally a cap savings of about 14 million.

3) Cut Hali and bring him back on a cheap deal he has publicly stated he wants. Something around 3-4 million per on a 2-3 year deal. This move saves us between 6-7 million per year.

4) place Eric Berry on the NFI list. If I'm reading this correctly, that saves the team about 8 million in cap space

5) Trade Chase Daniel for a 3-5th round pick. Lots of teams need a quarterback and Chase has had great coaching and has shown the ability to beat good teams when given the opportunity to play...even on a full team of backups. This move saves the team 3.8 million in cap space.

That gives the team over 40 million to spend.

Give Houston a deal that makes him the top paid OLB in football. Currently that's Clay Mattews at 5 years 66 million. Go ahead and bump that up to 5/70 for Justin or make it a 6 year deal for a little under 90 ...with about 10% of that coming from incentives. This eats up around 10-15 million in cap space for 2015. depending on how it's structured.

Give Hudson a deal that's top ten for his position...slightly less than 5/yr. something like 6 years 28 million with 10 guaranteed. Structured so it doesn't hit the cap hard the first 2 years. I think we can make it happen where he doesn't hit the cap for more than 4 million each of the first 2 years.

Give Suh a deal similar to what we give Houston. Something like 6/90. Half guaranteed equally dispersed. Around 12-15 goes to year 1 cap.

Bring back Ron Parker on a cheap deal to keep the elite speed in the deep secondary...I know a lot of you don't like him, but his speed back there was a big reason our pass defense was so successful.

Suh (Catapano as reserve)
Poe (Fangupu or Walker as backup)
Bailey (Jaye Howard as the backup)

Houston (Martin or draft pick as backup)
Draft pick
DJ (Mauga as backup)
Hali/Ford

Smith
Gaines
Flemming
Abdullah
Parker

That would have a chance at being the leagues top defense and one that could really help Alex Smith win games by adding talent through the draft to help bolster the playmaking ability of the offense with our 11 draft picks we will have for the upcoming draft being used on offense and as guys to add explosiveness to the defense.

In this situation, we add a monster defensive player that has DMVP potential to an already extremely disruptive unit and we literally lose nothing.

None of the guys we lose impacted 2014 and adding Suh moves this defense into the scary category for opposing offenses.

How would teams block those guys?

Houston REQUIRES a double team
Suh REQUIRES a double team
Poe REQUIRES a double team

Bailey?
DJ?
The ILB we will draft?
Ford?
Hali?

I mean, really...I know it's a pipe dream...but that defense would annihilate teams blocking schemes and quarterbacks.

I think we could win a title with a defense like that and this offense coming together...even with Alex Smiths limitations.

**Easy 6** · 01-30-2015, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

There have also been rumors for at least a month now that they will cut Willis and Davis while letting Mike Iupati walk.

IMO if we find a way (and it shouldn't be hard) to bring in all 3...we will win the AFCW next year.

If we add an impact WR or 2 and bring in those 3...we would have a shot at being the best team in the AFC.

All three is dreaming a bit much IMO, considering the school Dorsey comes from... but oh yeah, Iupati has been the guard on my radar from day one... he's exactly the big, experienced and physical hoss we need.

If Dorsey grabbed Davis and that guy, I'd nut.

RunKC · 01-30-2015, 06:53 PM

I'd go hard after Vernon Davis if he's free.

Man.

Vernon Davis. Then draft Ereck Flowers and Phillip Dorsett/Nelson Agholor rd 2. I'd be so pumped

Sorter · 01-30-2015, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I'd go hard after Vernon Davis if he's free.

Man.

Vernon Davis. Then draft Ereck Flowers and Phillip Dorsett/Nelson Agholor rd 2. I'd be so pumped

I'd rather draft a TE.

**The Franchise** · 01-30-2015, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

I'd rather draft a TE.

This.

**BossChief** · 01-30-2015, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

I'd rather draft a TE.

Depends on the cost.

I'd love to pair Kelce with Davis and think the vet would provide a really good example for Kelce. The guy is a pro.

He would also give Alex a guy he trusts.

**Easy 6** · 01-30-2015, 08:14 PM

Chances are we arent going to be able to bring in a top free agent receiver, anyone we want is going to demand the moon and sky to come here... and we know Dorsey isnt going for that.

So if we take a rookie tight end instead of Davis, along with the rookie receivers instead of proven pro's... who the hell is going to produce at a high level for us THIS year?

Have we just given up on the offense doing shit?

BigChiefFan · 01-30-2015, 08:23 PM

I like the idea of solidifying the D-line with Suh and bringing in Davis at TE. Go heavy on WR, ILBer, Safety, O-Line and CB in the draft.

FloridaMan88 · 01-30-2015, 08:24 PM

So the OP is suggesting that the Chiefs sign Suh to what will likely be a high dollar contract and then ask him to play a position (DE) in a defensive scheme (3-4) that he hasn't played in during his NFL career?

Unless Suh can also play WR and/or offensive guard… no thanks.

beach tribe · 01-31-2015, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So the OP is suggesting that the Chiefs sign Suh to what will likely be a high dollar contract and then ask him to play a position (DE) in a defensive scheme (3-4) that he hasn't played in during his NFL career?

Unless Suh can also play WR and/or offensive guard… no thanks.

It really doesn't matter where Suh plays.

It
really
doesn't

R8RFAN · 01-31-2015, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I like the idea of solidifying the D-line with Suh and bringing in Davis at TE. Go heavy on WR, ILBer, Safety, O-Line and CB in the draft.

No way the Cheaps can afford Suh or even if they could they would never pay him that much money.. Why should they? They can put any product on the field and KC fills the stands.

Simply Red · 01-31-2015, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No sir, I have not.

Could you perhaps link it for me in this thread?

srs?

chiefzilla1501 · 09-13-2015, 05:31 PM

Good lord, what do you do with this guy? Signs a mega-deal then keeps doing dirty shit on the field. Kicked a player's helmet off and apparently poked a guy in the eye. JFC, get a hold of yourself.

Mother****erJones · 09-13-2015, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8RFAN

No way the Cheaps can afford Suh or even if they could they would never pay him that much money.. Why should they? They can put any product on the field and KC fills the stands.

We payed Houston a $100 million dumbass. God you're ****ing clueless when trolling

scho63 · 10-04-2015, 02:58 PM

At least we didn't make a mistake here.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...181018527.html

There should be a lemon law for NFL free-agent contracts. If there was, you have to think the Miami Dolphins would be applying for a refund right about now.

After agreeing to give Ndamukong Suh $114 million over six years, believing he'd be a difference-maker for the defense, Miami has watched him make little to no impact through four games.

Though he wasn't the only Dolphins player to look listless in Sunday's 27-14 loss to the New York Jets in London, when you're making the kind of money he is, it's more noticeable. Suh had one impact play, a tackle for loss in the fourth quarter when the Dolphines were down 27-7. (His postgame news conference was a source of amusement for at least one onlooker.)

And he had yet another interaction with an opposing player that will have the NFL taking a closer look.

Boston Globe reporter Ben Volin caught this first-half play, in which Suh's foot made contact with Ryan Fitzpatrick's helmet after Fitzpatrick fell running out of bounds. I can't decide if it was intentional or not. What's your call?

Suh kicked Fitzpatrick in the head, knocking his helmet off
That play aside, Suh isn't doing much to improve Miami's defense. Chris Ivory ran for a career-high 166 yards; the Jets rushed for 207 as a team. For the season, the Dolphins have given up 642 rushing yards. They came into the game ranked 31st in the league against the run.

Miami won its opener against Washington but has gone 0-3 since. According to the Miami Herald's Armando Salguero, head coach Joe Philbin said after the game he isn't worried about his job status, and plans to keep Kevin Coyle as his defensive coordinator.

On Sunday morning, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported that Miami players have grown frustrated with Coyle, and held a closed-door meeting with the coordiantor this past week, asking him to drop the complexities of his system and just let the players play

Eleazar · 10-04-2015, 03:03 PM

He has already gotten a break on a kick earlier this year. He'll get suspended this time.

01-29-2015, 01:30 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1894088	Let's talk about signing Ndamukong Suh There is almost nothing to talk about regarding Chiefs football right now, so let's talk about a madden level hypothetical that could improve this team. This teams ONLY chance at a title with Alex Smith is to build a historic defense. This much is certain. No arguments? Cool, let us continue. Sign Ndamukong Suh. "What, this idea is beyond silly. Get a grip. Have you seen our cap situation and the fact that we need to give new deals to Hudson and Houston this offseason and then have money for Poe next year..." But let's talk about how to do it... 1) Bowe gets cut as a post June 1st designation, saving us 9.5 million against the cap. I hate to see the guy go on to have a couple really strong years elsewhere, but he simply isn't cost effective here. I know that's due to Alex Smith, but he's not going anywhere the next 2 years...so it's time to build around his strengths. 2) Cut the dead weight. Avery, Fasano, Devito, Mays and Jenkins. This group of suck totally a cap savings of about 14 million. 3) Cut Hali and bring him back on a cheap deal he has publicly stated he wants. Something around 3-4 million per on a 2-3 year deal. This move saves us between 6-7 million per year. 4) place Eric Berry on the NFI list. If I'm reading this correctly, that saves the team about 8 million in cap space 5) Trade Chase Daniel for a 3-5th round pick. Lots of teams need a quarterback and Chase has had great coaching and has shown the ability to beat good teams when given the opportunity to play...even on a full team of backups. This move saves the team 3.8 million in cap space. That gives the team over 40 million to spend. Give Houston a deal that makes him the top paid OLB in football. Currently that's Clay Mattews at 5 years 66 million. Go ahead and bump that up to 5/70 for Justin or make it a 6 year deal for a little under 90 ...with about 10% of that coming from incentives. This eats up around 10-15 million in cap space for 2015. depending on how it's structured. Give Hudson a deal that's top ten for his position...slightly less than 5/yr. something like 6 years 28 million with 10 guaranteed. Structured so it doesn't hit the cap hard the first 2 years. I think we can make it happen where he doesn't hit the cap for more than 4 million each of the first 2 years. Give Suh a deal similar to what we give Houston. Something like 6/90. Half guaranteed equally dispersed. Around 12-15 goes to year 1 cap. Bring back Ron Parker on a cheap deal to keep the elite speed in the deep secondary...I know a lot of you don't like him, but his speed back there was a big reason our pass defense was so successful. Suh (Catapano as reserve) Poe (Fangupu or Walker as backup) Bailey (Jaye Howard as the backup) Houston (Martin or draft pick as backup) Draft pick DJ (Mauga as backup) Hali/Ford Smith Gaines Flemming Abdullah Parker That would have a chance at being the leagues top defense and one that could really help Alex Smith win games by adding talent through the draft to help bolster the playmaking ability of the offense with our 11 draft picks we will have for the upcoming draft being used on offense and as guys to add explosiveness to the defense. In this situation, we add a monster defensive player that has DMVP potential to an already extremely disruptive unit and we literally lose nothing. None of the guys we lose impacted 2014 and adding Suh moves this defense into the scary category for opposing offenses. How would teams block those guys? Houston REQUIRES a double team Suh REQUIRES a double team Poe REQUIRES a double team Bailey? DJ? The ILB we will draft? Ford? Hali? I mean, really...I know it's a pipe dream...but that defense would annihilate teams blocking schemes and quarterbacks. I think we could win a title with a defense like that and this offense coming together...even with Alex Smiths limitations.
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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $3182906	So the OP is suggesting that the Chiefs sign Suh to what will likely be a high dollar contract and then ask him to play a position (DE) in a defensive scheme (3-4) that he hasn't played in during his NFL career? Unless Suh can also play WR and/or offensive guard… no thanks.
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09-13-2015, 05:31 PM	#117
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2124497	Good lord, what do you do with this guy? Signs a mega-deal then keeps doing dirty shit on the field. Kicked a player's helmet off and apparently poked a guy in the eye. JFC, get a hold of yourself.
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10-04-2015, 02:58 PM	#119
scho63 Politically Incorrect Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Casino cash: $2791110	$100 million Ndamukong Suh remains ineffective, Miami loses third straight At least we didn't make a mistake here..... http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...181018527.html There should be a lemon law for NFL free-agent contracts. If there was, you have to think the Miami Dolphins would be applying for a refund right about now. After agreeing to give Ndamukong Suh $114 million over six years, believing he'd be a difference-maker for the defense, Miami has watched him make little to no impact through four games. Though he wasn't the only Dolphins player to look listless in Sunday's 27-14 loss to the New York Jets in London, when you're making the kind of money he is, it's more noticeable. Suh had one impact play, a tackle for loss in the fourth quarter when the Dolphines were down 27-7. (His postgame news conference was a source of amusement for at least one onlooker.) And he had yet another interaction with an opposing player that will have the NFL taking a closer look. Boston Globe reporter Ben Volin caught this first-half play, in which Suh's foot made contact with Ryan Fitzpatrick's helmet after Fitzpatrick fell running out of bounds. I can't decide if it was intentional or not. What's your call? Suh kicked Fitzpatrick in the head, knocking his helmet off That play aside, Suh isn't doing much to improve Miami's defense. Chris Ivory ran for a career-high 166 yards; the Jets rushed for 207 as a team. For the season, the Dolphins have given up 642 rushing yards. They came into the game ranked 31st in the league against the run. Miami won its opener against Washington but has gone 0-3 since. According to the Miami Herald's Armando Salguero, head coach Joe Philbin said after the game he isn't worried about his job status, and plans to keep Kevin Coyle as his defensive coordinator. On Sunday morning, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported that Miami players have grown frustrated with Coyle, and held a closed-door meeting with the coordiantor this past week, asking him to drop the complexities of his system and just let the players play __________________ *"The only difference between sex for free and sex for money is that sex for free costs you a WHOLE LOT more!"* ~Redd Foxx~ ~~2018 2019 2020 20212022 2023~~ 2024 Adopt a Chief - Clark Hunt and Brett Veach "The men who drafted Patrick Mahomes"
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10-04-2015, 03:03 PM	#120
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