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Old 02-27-2016, 04:40 PM  
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Slimmed-down Chiefs safety Eric Berry starred in 2015, setting up next payday Read m
Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 5m5 minutes ago Indianapolis, IN

Slimmed-down #Chiefs safety Eric Berry starred in 2015, setting up next payday: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy …


So, kind of puts to rest the box safety only talk and whether he's worth it, if you follow Louis Riddick.
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Old 02-28-2016, 04:47 PM   #121
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Who would you rather pay?

Berry and Howard or Sean Smith and Mitchell Scwartz?

Then draft Vernon Butler and Miles Killebrew in the 2016 draft...
after hearing Mayock rave about the talent and depth of the DLine in the draft, i'm beginning to think that Howard is history. They are going to draft his replacements.
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Old 02-28-2016, 04:59 PM   #122
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after hearing Mayock rave about the talent and depth of the DLine in the draft, i'm beginning to think that Howard is history. They are going to draft his replacements.
Don't know why they wouldn't. Potentially better and cheaper and they have two Howard clones in Nunez-Roches and Nick Williams already on the roster and can re-sign DeVito (who had a really good season in 2015) for a lot cheaper than they can Howard.

Giving 5/6 million per to Howard would be nuts. That money can go to Mitchell Schwartz, who immediately upgrades the RT position without the rookie learning curve.
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Old 02-28-2016, 05:32 PM   #123
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Mitchells getting 8 mil per.

Howard is a young blossoming difference maker on the dl. You keep those guys around.
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Old 02-28-2016, 05:34 PM   #124
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Don't know why they wouldn't. Potentially better and cheaper and they have two Howard clones in Nunez-Roches and Nick Williams already on the roster and can re-sign DeVito (who had a really good season in 2015) for a lot cheaper than they can Howard.

Giving 5/6 million per to Howard would be nuts. That money can go to Mitchell Schwartz, who immediately upgrades the RT position without the rookie learning curve.
I would give Howard 6 million in a heartbeat and i bet the Chiefs would too.


It's Howard asking for 9-10 million that's the issue.
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Old 02-28-2016, 05:37 PM   #125
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The defense hasn't looked much different without Berry; both in 2011 and 2014.

A good corner is much bigger need for us.
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The defense hasn't looked much different without Berry; both in 2011 and 2014.

A good corner is much bigger need for us.
Didn't look much different without houston this year, not much different without dj last year etc.

Right?
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Old 02-28-2016, 05:43 PM   #127
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Didn't look much different without houston this year, not much different without dj last year etc.

Right?
DJ definitely wins the Raiders or Cardinals game for us (if not both.) He's good for 1 or 2 wins by himself.

Sutton uses so many safeties I'm not sure if it's the scheme, the DBs are plug and play or it's the actual talent on the backend carrying Sutton that the numbers can stay the same with or without player ____.
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This reminds me of the Bowe apologists who were furious at Alex Smith for 'holding back' their elite wide receiver and getting us zero touchdowns to him last season!

Berry is good. At times...very good. But his best days are behind him so paying him top dollar for 4-5 years is absolutely insane when we have other positions that need attention.
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Didn't look much different without houston this year, not much different without dj last year etc.

Right?
Not at all.

run defense was noticeably worse without DJ
pass rush was noticeably worse without Houston


I think our run defense was worse without Berry as well. The question is, how much is that difference worth? We are faster,more aggressive and a better tackling team with Berry on the field.

Is that worth 10+ million per year?

I still contend that it's not worth that.

Berry's leadership, how much is that worth?

I have no idea, none of the fans are going to know that.

Better run defense + leadership = worth xx million per year?
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Didn't look much different without houston this year, not much different without dj last year etc.

Right?

They played shit offenses without Houston this year.

When Berry is able to lock down a Gronkowski then you can sign him to a max deal. The defense performs the same wihtout him.

Look at what Denver did wihtout their pro bowl SS TJ Ward. They didn't miss a beat. It's all about elite corners and pass rushers. You value Berry too much.
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They played shit offenses without Houston this year.

When Berry is able to lock down a Gronkowski then you can sign him to a max deal. The defense performs the same wihtout him.

Look at what Denver did wihtout their pro bowl SS TJ Ward. They didn't miss a beat. It's all about elite corners and pass rushers. You value Berry too much.
Denver made it to the superbowl without von, replacable.

If a guy like Louis Riddick is making statements like he did in the article, with his knowledge and insight into the game, I'm probably going to use that to base an opinion on.
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Cincy, New England, and Buffalo absolutely torched us in the pass game...who was supposed to be there to back up the corners? Berry.

Go watch the film of Berry slow to recognize where help was needed. Eifert had a solid performance mixed in with Cincy's receivers obliterating us. Gronkowski embarassed him. Berry was horrendously slow to help out against Sammy Watkins.

So. Much. Hype.
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Cincy, New England, and Buffalo absolutely torched us in the pass game...who was supposed to be there to back up the corners? Berry.

Go watch the film of Berry slow to recognize where help was needed. Eifert had a solid performance mixed in with Cincy's receivers obliterating us. Gronkowski embarassed him. Berry was horrendously slow to help out against Sammy Watkins.

So. Much. Hype.

I can't believe you and I are agreeing on this issue.

Bottomline, the defense has looked the same without berry for almost TWO full seasons; that's a big enough sample size.
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I can't believe you and I are agreeing on this issue.

Bottomline, the defense has looked the same without berry for almost TWO full seasons.
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When Berry is able to lock down a Gronkowski then you can sign him to a max deal. The defense performs the same wihtout him.

Nobody in the league has locked down Gronk.
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