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Old 02-27-2016, 04:40 PM  
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Slimmed-down Chiefs safety Eric Berry starred in 2015, setting up next payday Read m
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Slimmed-down #Chiefs safety Eric Berry starred in 2015, setting up next payday: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy …


So, kind of puts to rest the box safety only talk and whether he's worth it, if you follow Louis Riddick.
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Old 02-28-2016, 12:57 PM   #106
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Good luck adjusting those stats and excluding DJ and Peters' contributions.
But DJ is horrible, right?

I mean you have said it for years
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Old 02-28-2016, 12:58 PM   #107
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I've been an advocate supporter of Berry coming back, I figured something similar to his current (large) contract. But 12 million? If that's the case I'd just franchise tag him for a year then let him walk.
That number is made up. Guess who?
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Old 02-28-2016, 01:01 PM   #109
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I think that's the first I've ever heard anyone say that.
Black Bob said it every day
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:42 PM   #110
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In the In The National Fling it League Berry will probably get 11 per season.

He's an All Pro who does everything well, plays every snap, is a leader and role model in the locker room, works as hard as anyone on the team and brings national attention to the franchise. Those are the players you pay. The ones you pay to keep.

There's one more thing that I want to point out, and don't dismiss this.

Houston and Berry both feel like the leader of this defense.
Tamba, Houston's mentor, is going to be gone soon. The only person who has the fortitude to hold Houston accountable and keep his edge sharp, in his champagne wishes and caviar dreams world, is Berry.
Without him here, swinging another pair of Super Star nuts around, there will be no one to challenge Houston as the Alpha of this defense.
Berry just made All Pro, got tons of national love, and is about to get a top flight contract, while Houston was injured and the only place he saw his name was on the injury report.
With egos this size you better believe that this is something to consider.

Keep in mind that Houston smoked dope with the combine right around the corner so he has shown evidence of lapses in focus and discipline in the past and that was before he had enough money to laugh hysterically anytime he hears the expression "money doesn't buy happiness".
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:46 PM   #111
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He's an All Pro who does everything well, plays every snap, is a leader and role model in the locker room, works as hard as anyone on the team and brings national attention to the franchise. Those are the players you pay. The ones you pay to keep.
Agreed with everything, but this is the part that really sums it all up
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:54 PM   #112
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Amazing is Ed Reed or pick your favorite here.

Eric Berry is right there with the top half of NFL safeties, but amazing isn't the word I've got in mind.
That's because, with all due respect, you don't know what you are looking at.

What Berry does IS amazing.
The guy takes on O-linemen like it's nothing.
Shuts down TEs as well as anyone in football,
and is a threat to put the concussion protocol professionals to work on any given play. Run or pass.
Furthermore, has done all that after coming back from cancer.

That is Amazing.
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Old 02-28-2016, 03:06 PM   #113
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I have yet to see Eric Berry give anyone a concussion. Maybe I've missed it, maybe I wasn't paying attention to it, but I just don't recall that ever happening. In fact, I can never recall saying WOW Berry really put a lick on that guy. Always good, fundamentally sound tackling, but no big sticks.

He's such a master at shutting down TEs that the Chiefs didn't use him to cover Gronkowski in their match-up in the playoffs. I'll admit, he usually fairs pretty well in coverage, but he's not someone you have to explicitly avoid, like an Ed Reed.

As for taking on O-lineman, he shed's okay and makes plays for a DB. I don't question that. Lineman, in general, have a hard time blocking DBs at the second level anyhow, so he isn't doing something "amazing."

He's a rock solid safety. He isn't amazing. He wasn't even All-Pro worthy this season, but that was up to the sports writers.
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That's because, with all due respect, you don't know what you are looking at.

What Berry does IS amazing.
The guy takes on O-linemen like it's nothing.
Shuts down TEs as well as anyone in football,
and is a threat to put the concussion protocol professionals to work on any given play. Run or pass.
Furthermore, has done all that after coming back from cancer.

That is Amazing.

When Berry can go one-on-one and at least contain a player like Gronk then you can give him the 10-12 mil or whatever he wants.

We don't need a player who can take on o-linemen when Tom Brady is in shotgun with 5 wide.
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I have yet to see Eric Berry give anyone a concussion. Maybe I've missed it, maybe I wasn't paying attention to it, but I just don't recall that ever happening. In fact, I can never recall saying WOW Berry really put a lick on that guy. Always good, fundamentally sound tackling, but no big sticks.

He's such a master at shutting down TEs that the Chiefs didn't use him to cover Gronkowski in their match-up in the playoffs. I'll admit, he usually fairs pretty well in coverage, but he's not someone you have to explicitly avoid, like an Ed Reed.

As for taking on O-lineman, he shed's okay and makes plays for a DB. I don't question that. Lineman, in general, have a hard time blocking DBs at the second level anyhow, so he isn't doing something "amazing."

He's a rock solid safety. He isn't amazing. He wasn't even All-Pro worthy this season, but that was up to the sports writers.
He blasted Amendola in the St. Louis game, he stuck Latavious Murray on a nice slam to the ground this year, he hit DeSean Jackson on a screen play and made him leave the game and he put a nice hit right on Demaryius Thomas' ribs week 2 last year. Thomas had to take a play off
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He blasted Amendola in the St. Louis game, he stuck Latavious Murray on a nice slam to the ground this year, he hit DeSean Jackson on a screen play and made him leave the game and he put a nice hit right on Demaryius Thomas' ribs week 2 last year. Thomas had to take a play off
That hit on Thomas was a beaut, couldnt believe dude came back into the game
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Old 02-28-2016, 03:22 PM   #117
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He had some HUGE hits this past season. I can't find em'
Hers's a cpl old ones.




And one new one.
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He blasted Amendola in the St. Louis game, he stuck Latavious Murray on a nice slam to the ground this year, he hit DeSean Jackson on a screen play and made him leave the game and he put a nice hit right on Demaryius Thomas' ribs week 2 last year. Thomas had to take a play off
Thanks for that, I do actually appreciate it.

I will say this though... 2 hits in 16 regular season games this year. 1 in pre-season. 1 some other year we played the Skins or Eagles. I'm not sure that equates to amazing.

I just don't see Berry as the "superstar" that others do. I think he's very good. I think he has some very good value. I don't think he's worth 10 million per. If they were talking 7 million per, I'd think the Chiefs were getting their money's worth.

It's an odd league that routinely overpays. I just hope that the Chiefs don't continue to get caught up in that mix. I think they've overpaid on a few contracts lately. Eventually the cap is going to stop growing at its current pace, and I venture to say that will be in the not-so-distant future. Teams that overspend versus production are going to get caught with their asses hanging out.

This same theory is a reason I'm not too high on the Chiefs trying to re-sign Sean Smith for 10+ per, maybe 8 per. I'm certainly not high on the Chiefs spending more than 5 per on Howard and certainly nowhere near the 9 and 10 per some 3-4 DEs have received of late.

I think you consider that you could probably sign DE Cedric Thornton of PHI for 4-5 per and not see any noticeable dropoff from Howard. You could sign Nolan Carroll for around 5 per and not see some huge dropoff from Smith. You could re-sign Branch at 3 per and Abdul-Quddus around 2 per and get as good of safety play as we've seen the past few years. That's looking at around 15-16 per for 4 players instead of 1.5 and I don't think you'd see a big dropoff, if any at all.

I like Eric Berry, a whole bunch. I just think he's made out to be much better than he really is and is going to command much more money than he's really worth. And I don't think the other 3 guys at the top of the safety board right now command their contracts either. Agents have been driving prices way up with the new CBAs mandatory spending requirements and owner's are spending foolishly as a result.
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Who would you rather pay?

Berry and Howard or Sean Smith and Mitchell Scwartz?

Then draft Vernon Butler and Miles Killebrew in the 2016 draft...
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Here's the play I was referencing. Just found it from my post a long time ago.



The guy absolutely puts hits on players and he does it often.
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