Chris Jones clearly has eyes on the future

[Stargazer]

Following latest comments, this could get a bit messier than I had previously thought.

https://gasnsports.com/chris-jones

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

He'll show up then.

Not be in football shape and end up hurt.

Lol, I get being concerned, but you talk like it’s a guarantee that he will get hurt. Like I said beforee, Donald and Mack were both fine last year. Stop with this doom and gloom bullshit.

The guy is working his ass off in Miami right now. It’s obvious he’s been working out a ton and is in great shape if you follow him on social media.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Hill doesn't fit the mold of a guy you give a big money, long term deal to - he has obvious character issues and when he loses a step he won't be worth what the contract is paying. I know that on CP people think he's the fastest player in the NFL by 3 steps, but the reality is that when his speed declines he won't be worth elite money.

Have you seen the way Tyreek fights for the ball?

I'd say that's a bit more important than speed considering MANY other NFL greats weren't as fast.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

I agree. Jones is just doing what is in his best interest, positioning for the contract talks. You don't let a player like that get away, Veach will get it done.

Hill doesn't fit the mold of a guy you give a big money, long term deal to - he has obvious character issues and when he loses a step he won't be worth what the contract is paying. I know that on CP people think he's the fastest player in the NFL by 3 steps, but the reality is that when his speed declines he won't be worth elite money.

You pay Jones, and if Hill stays out of trouble and wants to sign a deal that is friendly to the team, and you can squeeze him in with other priorities, ok. Otherwise you continue stockpiling talent at the skill positions on offense and let someone else overpay him.

Hill is the best football player on the team, outside of the QB. He's a top 10 player in the NFL.

It's not like he's on the cliff of speed decline.

[staylor26]

Hill’s speed won’t decline before his second contract is up.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol, I get being concerned, but you talk like it’s a guarantee that he will get hurt. Like I said beforee, Donald and Mack were both fine last year. Stop with this doom and gloom bullshit.

The guy is working his ass off in Miami right now. It’s obvious he’s been working out a ton and is in great shape if you follow him on social media.

Working out and actually playing football are different. That's obvious.

Donald and Mack are legitimate HOF'ers. Chris Jones isn't on that level at this point.

It happens every year man. Guys that miss camp, come in and play are at a higher risk of injury.

Nothing is a guarantee, it's football. Maybe he comes out with rocket shoes and flies to the moon the first game. Hell if I know.

But I do know, missing the physicality of football then trying to jump back into it can lead to injury.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Have you seen the way Tyreek fights for the ball?

I'd say that's a bit more important than speed considering MANY other NFL greats weren't as fast.

I guess we're about due for another albatross contract

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

I guess we're about due for another albatross contract

I guess we'll see what's more important.

Investing in the #1 offense in the NFL or investing long term contracts in one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Point is, there is no reason to move now... the Chiefs have another season to see what they have.

[O.city]

Defensive lineman with whipsers of taking plays off or going off script don't exactly have a great track record of playing well after getting paid a monster deal.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Working out and actually playing football are different. That's obvious.

Donald and Mack are legitimate HOF'ers. Chris Jones isn't on that level at this point.

It happens every year man. Guys that miss camp, come in and play are at a higher risk of injury.

Nothing is a guarantee, it's football. Maybe he comes out with rocket shoes and flies to the moon the first game. Hell if I know.

But I do know, missing the physicality of football then trying to jump back into it can lead to injury.

I’m aware of the difference between football shape and regular shape, but there’s not denying that being in great physical shape can help prevent those kinds of injuries in the first place.

You say it happens every year, yet it didn’t happen to the two guys that held out last year. When’s the last example of this that you can give me? And I mean a legit one, not a regular/freak injury that can happen to anyone at anytime. Also, what does him not being as good as those guys have to do with getting hurt?

He’s going to be in camp anyways, so this your concerns are probably futile anyways.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Chris Jones was on the field last year and the Defense was garbage.

The biggest difference maker is going to be the subtraction of Bob Sutton and the addition of a 4-3 scheme.

While I like Chris Jones, he doesn't have the leverage... see how he plays in the NFL under Spags... and if he will be worth it in the future.

Put yourself in Jones‘s shoes. Why does he have to prove what he will look like in this new system but Clark and Matheiu get paid top money without having played 1 down under Spags?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Defensive lineman with whipsers of taking plays off or going off script don't exactly have a great track record of playing well after getting paid a monster deal.

JFC you’re going full reerun with this one.

The guy didn’t rack up 15.5 sacks taking plays off regularly. Saying he played off script is one thing, even though I think that’s a bit overblown.

Jones is clearly a guy that plays hard and is a far cry from the Albert Haynesworth’s of the NFL. He’s played relatively well from day 1. Good grief this is an awful take.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Put yourself in Jones‘s shoes. Why does he have to prove what he will look like in this new system but Clark and Matheiu get paid top money without having played 1 down under Spags?

Clark and Mathieu don't have reps of freelancing and leaving huge running lanes to pad their sack numbers.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

JFC you’re going full reerun with this one.

The guy didn’t rack up 15.5 sacks taking plays off regularly. Saying he played off script is one thing, even though I think that’s a bit overblown.

Jones is clearly a guy that plays hard and is a far cry from the Albert Haynesworth’s of the NFL. He’s played relatively well from day 1. Good grief this is an awful take.

You can get a bunch of sacks if it is all you are interested in....but how helpful are those sacks if you are doing it while leaving open huge running lanes?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

JFC you’re going full reerun with this one.

The guy didn’t rack up 15.5 sacks taking plays off regularly. Saying he played off script is one thing, even though I think that’s a bit overblown.

Jones is clearly a guy that plays hard and is a far cry from the Albert Haynesworth’s of the NFL. He’s played relatively well from day 1. Good grief this is an awful take.

Stop getting so emotional over this stuff.

It's ok to have discussions on this stuff without calling people ****ing idiots and reeruns.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Put yourself in Jones‘s shoes. Why does he have to prove what he will look like in this new system but Clark and Matheiu get paid top money without having played 1 down under Spags?

Jones can do whatever he wants. If I'm in his shoes, maybe I do the same thing.

I suppose I just trust Veach, he has all of the facts/details that we don't.