Chiefs Dwayne Bowe may get tagged again - Page 4

Hammock Parties · 02-19-2013, 09:46 AM

@evansilva: ESPN's Adam Schefter said Dwayne Bowe may get franchise tagged again. "The #Chiefs are gonna figure out a way to keep him."

**BigMeatballDave** · 02-19-2013, 12:55 PM

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B14ckmon · 02-19-2013, 12:56 PM

I would love to have Albert on my team if he left.

KCFaninSEA · 02-19-2013, 01:44 PM

While I want both Albert and Bowe to stay, I struggle with paying a guy who has been said to be ranked right around as the 13th best LT in the league, top 5 LT money. Bowe also is not a top 5 WR in the league but he will be wanting a big pay day as well. If this trend continues we will be paying middle of the road talent, all pro salaries. By tagging either one, they will get top 5 average pay for their position, unless a long term deal can be reached. Again, I want to keep these guys but I also don't want to over pay either.

DJ's left nut · 02-19-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

At the same time, if a comprehensive physical isn't enough, then where does it stop?

Do you just say "well, he might have back issues and no test is sufficient, so we just assume he's damaged goods and move on"?

At some point, you have either to accept that any additional testing is superfluous and it's time to sign or no amount of additional testing is going to give you peace of mind and it's time to walk.

It stops after you get a decent season out of him.

We're 0 games removed from a season where a back injury seriously compromised him for 1/2 the year and eventually shut him down.

I want to see him come back next season and show that it wasn't a permanent injury. I've said it before, but back injuries are worse for O-lineman than anything else they can have. Knees heal, arms/elbows heal. Those back injuries always seem to get worse and worse.

I've seen too many O-Lineman brought down young by bad backs to be comfortable assuming he's sound based on a physical.

**the Talking Can** · 02-19-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KCFaninSEA

While I want both Albert and Bowe to stay, I struggle with paying a guy who has been said to be ranked right around as the 13th best LT in the league, top 5 LT money. Bowe also is not a top 5 WR in the league but he will be wanting a big pay day as well. If this trend continues we will be paying middle of the road talent, all pro salaries. By tagging either one, they will get top 5 average pay for their position, unless a long term deal can be reached. Again, I want to keep these guys but I also don't want to over pay either.

we're already paying middle of the road talent all pro salaries....Cassel and Jackson

how about we actually pay good players for a change...guys who actually produce and perform, and both Albert and Bowe have since they were drafted

and Albert is easily a top 10 LT...

**FRCDFED** · 02-19-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

At the same time, if a comprehensive physical isn't enough, then where does it stop?

Do you just say "well, he might have back issues and no test is sufficient, so we just assume he's damaged goods and move on"?

At some point, you have either to accept that any additional testing is superfluous and it's time to sign or no amount of additional testing is going to give you peace of mind and it's time to walk.

The only real test would be to tag him and see if he can make it through another season without any problems. As its been stated, he is not a top 5 LT. Giving him a contract paying as much is more of a sign of desperation at the position versus solid value. I believe there are a few LT's hitting FA this year including the one from Detroit. They aren't going to tag S Louis Delmas either.

Anyway, there are other options to Albert. Of course he is one of our own so it would be nice to resign him at a fair price.

Titty Meat · 02-19-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KCFaninSEA

While I want both Albert and Bowe to stay, I struggle with paying a guy who has been said to be ranked right around as the 13th best LT in the league, top 5 LT money. Bowe also is not a top 5 WR in the league but he will be wanting a big pay day as well. If this trend continues we will be paying middle of the road talent, all pro salaries. By tagging either one, they will get top 5 average pay for their position, unless a long term deal can be reached. Again, I want to keep these guys but I also don't want to over pay either.

Bowe isnt a top 5 wr? Um what? Compare Bowes first 5 years to TO's and get back to me

B14ckmon · 02-19-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Bowe isnt a top 5 wr? Um what? Compare Bowes first 5 years to TO's and get back to me

Not really all that comparable considering how passing/receiving yards in general were lower in the late 90s.

KCFaninSEA · 02-19-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Bowe isnt a top 5 wr? Um what? Compare Bowes first 5 years to TO's and get back to me

Is he top 5 right now is the question. Let's see CJ, AJ, Julio Jones, Green, either guy from the Giants, Marshall, Harvin and probably Vincent Jackson are all arguably better than DB. If he is paid, by tagging him, the average of the top 5 paid receivers, they are overpaying.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It stops after you get a decent season out of him.

We're 0 games removed from a season where a back injury seriously compromised him for 1/2 the year and eventually shut him down.

I want to see him come back next season and show that it wasn't a permanent injury. I've said it before, but back injuries are worse for O-lineman than anything else they can have. Knees heal, arms/elbows heal. Those back injuries always seem to get worse and worse.

I've seen too many O-Lineman brought down young by bad backs to be comfortable assuming he's sound based on a physical.

Then we're back to my original assertion:

We should try to tag Albert rather than Bowe.

ModSocks · 02-19-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KCFaninSEA

Is he top 5 right now is the question. Let's see CJ, AJ, Julio Jones, Green, either guy from the Giants, Marshall, Harvin and probably Vincent Jackson are all arguably better than DB. If he is paid, by tagging him, the average of the top 5 paid receivers, they are overpaying.

AJ is in steep decline and "either guy from the giants", Marshall and Harvin are very, very debatable.

**BossChief** · 02-19-2013, 02:19 PM

If I could chose a way to keep both, if we can only sign one or the other to a long term deal, is to sign Albert long term (if his back isn't an issue) and to tag Bowe again. We have more leverage with Bowe due to age and how it effects his position group. OTs can generally play until they are 35 or so...WRs start to heavily decline at 31/32 years old. Bowe will be 29 in September so that leaves him another 3 or 4 years of production....meaning that if we sign him to a 5 or 6 year deal, we are gonna be scheduled to pay him for years where he will be eroding...if we tag him this year and want to sign him long term next year, we can probably get him much cheaper.

Signing Albert (again, if his back truly is 100%) for a 5 year deal means we will probably get all 5 good years.

Does anybody even know what injury Bowe had in the finale?

KCFaninSEA · 02-19-2013, 02:27 PM

A QB could make all the difference but DB's rankings from 2012 are: receptions 59 (49th), yards 801 (40th), targets 114 (31rst), average 13.6 (106), TD's 3 (81rst), 20+ YPC 11 (38th). None of that puts him in top 5 status. Again, I want to keep but to overpay is risky down the road.

Hammock Parties · 02-19-2013, 02:31 PM

JFC.

Judging Bowe on last year is stupid.

He should get paid the same as Vincent Jackson, and it's proven here:

http://overthecap.com/estimating-the...r-dwayne-bowe/

Mother****erJones · 02-19-2013, 02:36 PM

Bowe should be paid as much or more than Jackson because he hasnt had the off field issues that Jackson had nor the QB play and still had a 15 TD season

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KCFaninSEA Starter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Seattle, WA Casino cash: $10005813	While I want both Albert and Bowe to stay, I struggle with paying a guy who has been said to be ranked right around as the 13th best LT in the league, top 5 LT money. Bowe also is not a top 5 WR in the league but he will be wanting a big pay day as well. If this trend continues we will be paying middle of the road talent, all pro salaries. By tagging either one, they will get top 5 average pay for their position, unless a long term deal can be reached. Again, I want to keep these guys but I also don't want to over pay either. __________________ Stop corporate Greed!!!!!
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1874088	If I could chose a way to keep both, if we can only sign one or the other to a long term deal, is to sign Albert long term (if his back isn't an issue) and to tag Bowe again. We have more leverage with Bowe due to age and how it effects his position group. OTs can generally play until they are 35 or so...WRs start to heavily decline at 31/32 years old. Bowe will be 29 in September so that leaves him another 3 or 4 years of production....meaning that if we sign him to a 5 or 6 year deal, we are gonna be scheduled to pay him for years where he will be eroding...if we tag him this year and want to sign him long term next year, we can probably get him much cheaper. Signing Albert (again, if his back truly is 100%) for a 5 year deal means we will probably get all 5 good years. Does anybody even know what injury Bowe had in the finale? __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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02-19-2013, 02:27 PM	#58
KCFaninSEA Starter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Seattle, WA Casino cash: $10005813	A QB could make all the difference but DB's rankings from 2012 are: receptions 59 (49th), yards 801 (40th), targets 114 (31rst), average 13.6 (106), TD's 3 (81rst), 20+ YPC 11 (38th). None of that puts him in top 5 status. Again, I want to keep but to overpay is risky down the road. __________________ Stop corporate Greed!!!!!
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02-19-2013, 02:31 PM	#59
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4710478	JFC. Judging Bowe on last year is stupid. He should get paid the same as Vincent Jackson, and it's proven here: http://overthecap.com/estimating-the...r-dwayne-bowe/ __________________ Chiefs game films
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