Chiefs Chiefs Trade G Rishaw Johnson To Buccaneers For S Kelcie McCray - Page 10

TLO · 01:08 PM

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Buccaneers HC Lovie Smith announced Thursday that they have traded S Kelcie McCray to the Chiefs in return for G Rishaw Johnson, per the Pewter Report.

Johnson, 25, signed with the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent out of California University of Pennsylvania. he was reportedly competing with rookie Zach Fulton for the Chiefs right guard position.

There is no question the Buccaneers could use some extra depth at guard, which appears to be one of their biggest issues on their current roster.

O.city · 08-21-2014, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

So we dumped Flowers and Albert this year and Bowe and Hali next year. We replace those fatty contracts with Smith, Berry, and Houston. That is a net loss in cap dollars. IF Ford and Fisher both pan out we are only down 2 on talent on the field. Charles and DJ are a year older. The arrow isn't going in the right direction on talent or cap dollars.

All those older aging vets haven't exactly set this franchise to the next level though either.

Something no one really wants to talk about is that all these great vet players we have, maybe if they played to the level consistently we feel or rate them as, this wouldn't be a problem?

O.city · 08-21-2014, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

After Hunt just bought out Pioli's expensive-ass contract, hand-picked his own head coach, and also signed the dotted line on his new GM? You're telling me that one season of cleaning house, collecting better draft picks, and saving cap room would have resulted in Dorsey/Reid being fired?

There was ZERO pressure to win now. The Chiefs were going to improve regardless of what they did. Fans were going to support the team.

They didn't have to sign Fasano and Sean Smith. They shouldn't have given expensive contracts to Colquitt and Bowe.

We're now suffering through their irresponsible mistakes when we SHOULD be loading up.

I don't agree about the no pressure.people were flying banners and they were coming off the worst stretch of football in the franchise history, or close to it.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-21-2014, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

So we dumped Flowers and Albert this year and Bowe and Hali next year. We replace those fatty contracts with Smith, Berry, and Houston. That is a net loss in cap dollars. IF Ford and Fisher both pan out we are only down 2 on talent on the field. Charles and DJ are a year older. The arrow isn't going in the right direction on talent or cap dollars.

I am not talking about dumping Bowe, although you can. Hali is an obvious dump or restructure, then you have Sean Smith, Fasano, Daniel, Avery, DeVito, Mays…. These are guys who are each soaking up about $5M or more. There is a lot of dead weight you can cut out. That's $30M in contracts on what most of us know is dead weight. Add in Hali, that's $42M. Add in Bowe, you're at $56M.

The better solution is that you can structure Houson, Smith, Berry and whomever you want on a contract that doesn't hit big in year 1. So you'd still have lots of room to add more players.

John Dope · 08-21-2014, 08:41 PM

Clark hired people who wanted to build through the draft. That was very clear to me from the beginning. Reid's all star team cost him his job and he learned from that. Everything about the hiring of Reid and Dorsey point to building through the draft.

I agree that Dorsey screwed up with Bowe but Fasano and Smith were good signings that helped us get to the playoffs. Those guys are good, solid vets. People have funny expectations imo. You have to have guys like them. Not everyone can be a badass and those guys really fit the system.

**RealSNR** · 08-21-2014, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I don't agree about the no pressure.people were flying banners and they were coming off the worst stretch of football in the franchise history, or close to it.

Tell that to Dorsey. He's the one who thinks 8-8 was an appropriate benchmark.

OldSchool · 08-21-2014, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I don't agree about the no pressure.people were flying banners and they were coming off the worst stretch of football in the franchise history, or close to it.

SNR is a fool if he thought that there was no pressure to have a complete turn around last season.

There is a reason why Dorsey & Hunt went after the veteran head coach with a history of winning and dealing with tragedy and a veteran QB who was himself no stranger to adversity, was part of a major turn around, and was one of the winningest QBs since 2011. The franchise needed and wanted a successful 2013 season, which Smith and Reid delivered.

If we were rebuilding, Hali, Alex Smith, Fasano, Sean Smith, and Bowe wouldn't be here. No way they would have been willing to trade 2 2nd round picks for Alex Smith if they thought we couldn't win with just a few tweaks in the current roster.

**RealSNR** · 08-21-2014, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

SNR is a fool if he thought that there was no pressure to have a complete turn around last season.

There is a reason why Dorsey & Hunt went after the veteran head coach with a history of winning and dealing with tragedy and a veteran QB who was himself no stranger to adversity, was part of a major turn around, and was one of the winningest QBs since 2011. The franchise needed and wanted a successful 2013 season, which Smith and Reid delivered.

If we were rebuilding, Hali, Alex Smith, Fasano, Sean Smith, and Bowe wouldn't be here. No way they would have been willing to trade 2 2nd round picks for Alex Smith if they thought we couldn't win with just a few tweaks in the current roster.

That's their own stupidity, then.

Doesn't mean it was a smart decision at the time, nor is it a smart decision in retrospect.

Right now I'd swallow glass for a goddamn playoff win, and as close as we were last season to that goal, you can't possibly tell me that Dorsey said, "This team is capable of doing exactly that" when he started.

Jim Lahey · 08-21-2014, 09:16 PM

This place would meltdown if Bowe walked. This place would meltdown if Geno was their first round pick and had the shit season he had. Dorsey and Reid are doing shit the right way. We went from 2 wins to being a decent free safety away from our first playoff win in decades. We have a solid core. We arent rebuilding.

The only person to blame for the situation were in is Scott Pioli for being the utter fail at drafting piece of shit he is. He set this team back years.

**Mav** · 08-21-2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Lahey

This place would meltdown if Bowe walked. This place would meltdown if Geno was their first round pick and had the shit season he had. Dorsey and Reid are doing shit the right way. We went from 2 wins to being a decent free safety away from our first playoff win in decades. We have a solid core. We arent rebuilding.

The only person to blame for the situation were in is Scott Pioli for being the utter fail at drafting piece of shit he is. He set this team back years.

That should take a huge step forward next season.

jd1020 · 08-21-2014, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Lahey

This place would meltdown if Bowe walked. This place would meltdown if Geno was their first round pick and had the shit season he had. Dorsey and Reid are doing shit the right way. We went from 2 wins to being a decent free safety away from our first playoff win in decades. We have a solid core. We arent rebuilding.

The only person to blame for the situation were in is Scott Pioli for being the utter fail at drafting piece of shit he is. He set this team back years.

Well they certainly aren't building.

Can you honestly say this years team is better than last years?

**Mav** · 08-21-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Well they certainly aren't building.

Can you honestly say this years team is better than last years?

I can. Being more familiar scheme wise on both sides will help the team. The only true downgrade for me is the oline. Pass rush got better, secondary got better at least at safety. Corner a little worse.

jd1020 · 08-21-2014, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I can. Being more familiar scheme wise on both sides will help the team. The only true downgrade for me is the oline. Pass rush got better, secondary got better at least at safety. Corner a little worse.

How did the pass rush and secondary get better?

**Mav** · 08-21-2014, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

How did the pass rush and secondary get better?

Having hali, and houston healthy and adding dee Ford. Getting rid of Lewis immediately makes the secondary better. Imo

jd1020 · 08-21-2014, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Having hali, and houston healthy and adding dee Ford. Getting rid of Lewis immediately makes the secondary better. Imo

Hali and Houston were on the field last year. Ford is a backup. And losing Lewis hasn't done much to improve the secondary, they are still getting burned on nearly every pass and if they aren't getting burned they are drawing penalties.

This team is NOT better.

**Mav** · 08-21-2014, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Hali and Houston were on the field last year. Ford is a backup. And losing Lewis hasn't done much to improve the secondary, they are still getting burned on nearly every pass and if they aren't getting burned they are drawing penalties.

This team is NOT better.

Can we wait till the regular season to make that statement?

08-21-2014, 12:08 PM
TLO Life is changing.. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NW Missouri Casino cash: $1834900	Chiefs Trade G Rishaw Johnson to Buccaneers for S Kelcie McCray http://nfltraderumors.co/chiefs-trad...kelcie-mccray/ Buccaneers HC Lovie Smith announced Thursday that they have traded S Kelcie McCray to the Chiefs in return for G Rishaw Johnson, per the Pewter Report. Johnson, 25, signed with the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent out of California University of Pennsylvania. he was reportedly competing with rookie Zach Fulton for the Chiefs right guard position. There is no question the Buccaneers could use some extra depth at guard, which appears to be one of their biggest issues on their current roster. Last edited by TLO; 08-21-2014 at 01:08 PM..
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John Dope Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Casino cash: $10009960	Clark hired people who wanted to build through the draft. That was very clear to me from the beginning. Reid's all star team cost him his job and he learned from that. Everything about the hiring of Reid and Dorsey point to building through the draft. I agree that Dorsey screwed up with Bowe but Fasano and Smith were good signings that helped us get to the playoffs. Those guys are good, solid vets. People have funny expectations imo. You have to have guys like them. Not everyone can be a badass and those guys really fit the system.
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08-21-2014, 09:16 PM	#143
Jim Lahey The shit-winds are blowin Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sunnyvale trailer park Casino cash: $10013647	This place would meltdown if Bowe walked. This place would meltdown if Geno was their first round pick and had the shit season he had. Dorsey and Reid are doing shit the right way. We went from 2 wins to being a decent free safety away from our first playoff win in decades. We have a solid core. We arent rebuilding. The only person to blame for the situation were in is Scott Pioli for being the utter fail at drafting piece of shit he is. He set this team back years.
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