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Old 07-30-2016, 12:39 PM   #1
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I'd have rather seen that money go to locking up Berry.
Good grief.

You'd rather pay a non-premium player $12 million a year over a premium position, a guy that has to go against the best pass rushers in any division?

Berry may be a great safety but a great safety will never have as much impact as an even average left tackle.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:41 PM   #2
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Good grief.

You'd rather pay a non-premium player $12 million a year over a premium position, a guy that has to go against the best pass rushers in any division?

Berry may be a great safety but a great safety will never have as much impact as an even average left tackle.
I don't know about that. Maybe a good LT vs a great safety. But an average LT still gets you in trouble more than you'd like.

Unless the safety starts taking the ball away from the offense more, hard to say great.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:43 PM   #3
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I don't know about that. Maybe a good LT vs a great safety. But an average LT still gets you in trouble more than you'd like.

Unless the safety starts taking the ball away from the offense more, hard to say great.
Well, everyone knows my stance on Berry.

If I'm shelling out $12 million, it's not going to a safety.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:44 PM   #4
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Well, everyone knows my stance on Berry.

If I'm shelling out $12 million, it's not going to a safety.
I'd rather overpay a great player than overpay an average player, position be damned.

They're betting that Fisher becomes much more than an average player though so thats nice.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:42 PM   #5
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Berry may be a great safety but a great safety will never have as much impact as an even average left tackle.

Nitpicking but give me Ed Reed over Eric Fisher all day every day
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:44 PM   #6
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Nitpicking but give me Ed Reed over Eric Fisher all day every day
Really? You'd take a Hall of Famer over Fisher?

That's really going out on a limb.

Are you sure?
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:44 PM   #7
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Really? You'd take a Hall of Famer over Fisher?



That's really going out on a limb.



Are you sure?

LOL so you disagree with your original assessment?
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:46 PM   #8
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Fisher has gotten better the past two seasons. It may be a bit more than some wanted but the fact is it is a premium position, he is trending up not down, and the salary cap is getting so high that $12/mil for a competent LT is going to look like a steal in four years. If he regresses then it's a bad move, but you can say that about any player at any position at any time.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:47 PM   #9
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Nitpicking but give me Ed Reed over Eric Fisher all day every day
Reed will be a Hall of Famer, but even Reed isn't going to single handedly win games on defense if his offense sucks due to a Jordan Black sized hole at left tackle. That is exactly what the Chiefs would have if they would have signed Berry to this money and not Fisher.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:49 PM   #10
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I fear what Fish's price tag would be after next year assuming he continues to develop.

Its not like we were going to get a 25 year old assending LT on the cheap.
Excellent point
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Reed will be a Hall of Famer, but even Reed isn't going to single handedly win games on defense if his offense sucks due to a Jordan Black sized hole at left tackle. That is exactly what the Chiefs would have if they would have signed Berry to this money and not Fisher.
Reed and that defense did singlehandely win games though, so thats not a great example.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:51 PM   #12
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Reed and that defense did singlehandely win games though, so thats not a great example.
Fair enough. Give me Reed, Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs and the rest of that wrecking crew of a defense, and then we wouldn't have to sign Fisher to an extension.
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Fair enough. Give me Reed, Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs and the rest of that wrecking crew of a defense, and then we wouldn't have to sign Fisher to an extension.
True.

I was just saying that Reed isn't the best example. If Berry has a Reed type year and can be that going forward, by all means, keep him.

But I'm skeptical.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:53 PM   #14
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Reed and that defense did singlehandely win games though, so thats not a great example.
Reed also played with a Hall of Fame Left Tackle.
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Reed also played with a Hall of Fame Left Tackle.
And the 30th rated offense?

It's kind of an exercise in futility arguing about this though, takes a bunch of good players to win.
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