Chiefs For those wanting us to switch to 4-3 D

Chief Roundup · 03-27-2018, 05:43 PM

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Will Chiefs switch to 4-3 defense? Andy Reid gives his answer

By Terez A. Paylor

tpaylor@kcstar.com

Despite posting the league's 28th-ranked defense in 2017, don't expect the Chiefs to switch defensive schemes anytime soon.

Although Chiefs coach Andy Reid used a 4-3 scheme during his largely successful 14-year tenure as the Philadelphia Eagles' coach, Reid made it clear during the coaches breakfast at the NFL's annual meeting on Tuesday that he still believes in the 3-4 scheme they've used since his arrival in Kansas City in 2013.

"There’s so much flexibility in the 3-4," Reid said.

Reid added that the Chiefs aren't a "true" 3-4 team, because defensive coordinator Bob Sutton's scheme already calls for more of the gap-shooting that is used in the 4-3 defense. But Reid does like the way the two stand-up edge rushers over the tackles in a 3-4 cause problems for offensive linemen, who don't know whether those defenders will rush or drop into coverage.
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"Having that thought that you have that guy over you that could drop and someone else comes, that’s tough on an offensive guy," Reid said.

Reid also noted that because of the way teams are passing out of three- and four-wide sets, the Chiefs used nickel or dime personnel — which often calls for four down linemen, just like a 4-3 scheme — 73 percent of the time, so they spend the overwhelming amount of time using 4-3 principles.

Moreover, a switch to a 4-3 scheme would likely require a new defensive coordinator, as Bob Sutton is well-versed in the 3-4. And despite the Chiefs' defensive struggles at times last year, Reid still believes in Sutton's ability to put together a top-ranked unit.

"Listen, I think we're OK there," Reid said. "I always look at the big picture of things with Bob and our coaches, and I know what he's done here the last five years. (People are) basing (the reaction) off one game, or two games, and I'm basing it off of five years. So I'm comfortable with him in that spot."

That said, Reid still expects defensive improvement in 2018.

"Do we all need to take our games up a notch?" Reid asked. "Absolutely."

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-27-2018, 06:59 PM

Oh for ****'s sake...

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-27-2018, 07:03 PM

It's more to the point of replacing Bob "Mr Magoo" Sutton for a competent DC.

Chiefshrink · 03-27-2018, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Claysexual

Oh for ****'s sake...

You love Bob Sutton so just admit it !!!

Sassy Squatch · 03-27-2018, 07:12 PM

"Listen, I think we're OK there," Reid said. "I always look at the big picture of things with Bob and our coaches, and I know what he's done here the last five years. (People are) basing (the reaction) off one game, or two games, and I'm basing it off of five years. So I'm comfortable with him in that spot."

2 of the worst blown leads in playoff history. Yeah, I'm looking at the most important games, and this mother****er has been shit.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-27-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

You love Bob Sutton so just admit it !!!

No, I don't.

How do you go from fielding a competent, above average defense for two seasons in a row, and then fall off the face of the earth?

Chiefshrink · 03-27-2018, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

"Listen, I think we're OK there," Reid said. "I always look at the big picture of things with Bob and our coaches, and I know what he's done here the last five years. (People are) basing (the reaction) off one game, or two games, and I'm basing it off of five years. So I'm comfortable with him in that spot."

2 of the worst blown leads in playoff history. Yeah, I'm looking at the most important games, and this mother****er has been shit.

This is Reid indirectly admitting we had very little talent on the field with absolutely no depth and it is not Sutton's fault. Whose then ???? Is this another reason Dorsey was let go as well??

Titty Meat · 03-27-2018, 07:30 PM

Love the 3-4

Chiefshrink · 03-27-2018, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Claysexual

No, I don't.

How do you go from fielding a competent, above average defense for two seasons in a row, and then fall off the face of the earth?

Their red zone defense was the only thing above average in those 2 years. Our run defense was still a sieve between the 20's. Our severe lack of defensive depth when players like Berry and Houston went down and Ford not doing anything has killed us. Our defensive drafts these past few years finally caught up to us last year.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-27-2018, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Their red zone defense was the only thing above average in those 2 years. Our run defense was still a sieve between the 20's. Our severe lack of defensive depth when players like Berry and Houston went down and Ford not doing anything has killed us. Our defensive drafts these past few years finally caught up to us last year.

And the year before and the year before...

Sutton sucks and the 3-4 is for quitters.

Chiefshrink · 03-27-2018, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Love the 3-4

Yep, I do as well. Not only is more flexible to cover the pass but it hides the blitzing much better and is not so obvious. The downside is that you have to have very multi-talented players in those key positions.

You want to make sure that "21 sacks Houston" can drop in coverage 60% of the time.

KChiefs1 · 03-27-2018, 07:38 PM

I think I'm going to be sick.

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Moreover, a switch to a 4-3 scheme would likely require a new defensive coordinator, as Bob Sutton is well-versed in the 3-4. And despite the Chiefs' defensive struggles at times last year, Reid still believes in Sutton's ability to put together a top-ranked unit.

"Listen, I think we're OK there," Reid said. "I always look at the big picture of things with Bob and our coaches, and I know what he's done here the last five years. (People are) basing (the reaction) off one game, or two games, and I'm basing it off of five years. So I'm comfortable with him in that spot."

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-27-2018, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I think I'm going to be sick.

Sounds like a catchy slogan:

Chiefs defense; taste the vomit!

Chiefshrink · 03-27-2018, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Claysexual

And the year before and the year before...

Sutton sucks and the 3-4 is for quitters.

I agree Sutton sucks but Reid thinks otherwise and is giving him a pass because of Dorsey's bad drafts.

Respectfully disagree that the 3/4 is for quitters. NFL is now dominated by the pass and the 3/4 is by far better in defensing the pass. It's just finding talented players to play it is very difficult.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-27-2018, 07:42 PM

He better be right. Interesting that Reid is so resistant to a 4-3 when the defense that made him famous is as popular as ever. Andy Reid got put on the map by an aggressive attacking defense, and got taken off the map by a soft zone version of Jim Johnson's defense. Sure hope he's not falling into that trap all over again.

If he's wrong on this in a year where we have a shot at rebuilding, we've set this defense back a few years.

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Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $2289655	"Listen, I think we're OK there," Reid said. "I always look at the big picture of things with Bob and our coaches, and I know what he's done here the last five years. (People are) basing (the reaction) off one game, or two games, and I'm basing it off of five years. So I'm comfortable with him in that spot." 2 of the worst blown leads in playoff history. Yeah, I'm looking at the most important games, and this mother****er has been shit.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1934497	He better be right. Interesting that Reid is so resistant to a 4-3 when the defense that made him famous is as popular as ever. Andy Reid got put on the map by an aggressive attacking defense, and got taken off the map by a soft zone version of Jim Johnson's defense. Sure hope he's not falling into that trap all over again. If he's wrong on this in a year where we have a shot at rebuilding, we've set this defense back a few years.
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