Football Quarterbackery: Round 4, Heat 2

**Rain Man** · 07-10-2016, 01:00 PM

We have five teams in this heat with a heavy dose of original AFL.

Buffalo

Joe Ferguson - 12
Jim Kelly - 11
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 4
Drew Bledsoe - 3
Dennis Shaw - 3
Jack Kemp - 3 (led team for 6 seasons, 3 before 1966)
Doug Flutie - 2
Trent Edwards - 2
Tyrod Taylor - 1 (Current starter)
Kyle Orton - 1
E.J. Manuel - 1
J.P. Losman - 1
Kelly Holcomb - 1
Alex Van Pelt - 1
Rob Johnson - 1
Todd Collins - 1
Vince Ferragamo - 1
Dan Darragh - 1

The Bills produced 10 pro bowlers in 50 years, with Jim Kelly leading at 5.

Denver

John Elway - 16
Craig Morton - 5
Peyton Manning - 4
Jake Plummer - 4
Brian Griese - 4
Steve Ramsey - 3
Charley Johnson - 3
Kyle Orton - 2
Jay Cutler - 2
Steve Tensi - 2
Tim Tebow - 1
Steve Deberg - 1
Pete Liske - 1
Marlin Briscoe - 1
Max Choboian - 1

The Broncos produced 15 pro bowls during that period, led by the Baltimore Colts' John Elway, who had 9.

Oakland

Ken Stabler - 7
Daryle Lamonica - 6
Rich Gannon - 5
Jeff Hostetler - 4
Jay Schroeder - 4
Marc Wilson - 4
Jim Plunkett - 4
Derek Carr - 2 (and current starter)
Carson Palmer - 2
Jamarcus Russell - 2
Kerry Collins - 2
Terrelle Pryor - 1
Jason Campbell - 1
Daunte Culpepper - 1
Andrew Walter - 1
Donald Hollas - 1
Jeff George - 1
Steve Beuerlein - 1
Tom Flores - 1 (led the team for 5 seasons, but only 1 since 1966)

The Raiders produced 15 pro bowls, led by Lamonica, Stabler, and Gannon with four each.

NY Giants

Eli Manning - 11 seasons, and current starter since he whined and threw a tantrum to leave San Diego.
Phil Simms - 11
Kerry Collins - 5
Fran Tarkenton - 5
Dave Brown - 3
Craig Morton - 3
Danny Kanell - 2
Jeff Hostetler - 2
Scott Brunner - 2
Joe Pisarcik - 2
Norm Snead - 2
Kurt Warner - 1
Gary Wood - 1

The Giants produced 11 pro bowlers, led by Fran Tarkenton and Eli Manning with 4 each.

Atlanta

Steve Bartkowski - 9 seasons
Matt Ryan - 8
Chris Chandler - 5
Chris Miller - 5
Bob Berry - 5
Michael Vick - 4
Jeff George - 2
Bobby Hebert - 2
David Archer - 2
Bob Lee - 2
Randy Johnson - 2
Joey Harrington - 1
Doug Johnson - 1
Scott Campbell - 1
Scott Hunter - 1

The Falcons had 10 pro bowls during this period, led by Matt Ryan with 3.*

**Rain Man** · 07-10-2016, 01:11 PM

These teams are definitely a stop down from the Top Tier teams. They all generally have long tenures of average quarterbacks and occasional bursts of greatness. But none had that long-time high-performing franchise QB other than the Bills with 11 years of Kelly.

In the end, I put Oakland at the bottom of the list. They just haven't had the consistent history that I'd like to see. I refuse to state who I voted for at the top of the list because I respect the game of football.

In the end, I think the reasonable vote is for Buffalo or Denver at the top, and it's kind of a wash, and the other three in a coin flip at the bottom.

stumppy · 07-10-2016, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

These teams are definitely a stop down from the Top Tier teams. They all generally have long tenures of average quarterbacks and occasional bursts of greatness. But none had that long-time high-performing franchise QB other than the Bills with 11 years of Kelly.

In the end, I put Oakland at the bottom of the list. They just haven't had the consistent history that I'd like to see. I refuse to state who I voted for at the top of the list because I respect the game of football.

In the end, I think the reasonable vote is for Buffalo or Denver at the top, and it's kind of a wash, and the other three in a coin flit at the bottom.

I agree. I voted Buffalo as the best. Not to take anything away from horseface and his accomplices but I simply can not and will not ever vote for anything that would present the doncos in a positive manner.

**Rain Man** · 07-10-2016, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stumppy

I agree. I voted Buffalo as the best. Not to take anything away from horseface and his accomplices but I simply can not and will not ever vote for anything that would present the doncos in a positive manner.

I probably should have voted for Buffalo. I'd compare them as follows:

11 years of Jim Kelly versus 4 years of Manning and 6 years of effective game manager Elway (of the Colts). Probably a draw.

12 years of Joe Ferguson versus 10 years of ineffective "I'm the star" Elway. Probably a draw.

2 years of Flutie versus 2 years of Cutler. Slight advantage to Denver.

3 years of Bledsoe versus 4 years of Plummer. Probably a draw.

3 years of Jack Kemp versus 5 years of Craig Morton. Probably a slight advantage to Buffalo.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-10-2016, 02:07 PM

Denver and Oakland.

**** Jim Kelly.

Tombstone RJ · 07-10-2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

We have five teams in this heat with a heavy dose of original AFL.

Buffalo

Joe Ferguson - 12
Jim Kelly - 11
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 4
Drew Bledsoe - 3
Dennis Shaw - 3
Jack Kemp - 3 (led team for 6 seasons, 3 before 1966)
Doug Flutie - 2
Trent Edwards - 2
Tyrod Taylor - 1 (Current starter)
Kyle Orton - 1
E.J. Manuel - 1
J.P. Losman - 1
Kelly Holcomb - 1
Alex Van Pelt - 1
Rob Johnson - 1
Todd Collins - 1
Vince Ferragamo - 1
Dan Darragh - 1

The Bills produced 10 pro bowlers in 50 years, with Jim Kelly leading at 5.

Denver

John Elway - 16
Craig Morton - 5
Peyton Manning - 4
Jake Plummer - 4
Brian Griese - 4
Steve Ramsey - 3
Charley Johnson - 3
Kyle Orton - 2
Jay Cutler - 2
Steve Tensi - 2
Tim Tebow - 1
Steve Deberg - 1
Pete Liske - 1
Marlin Briscoe - 1
Max Choboian - 1

The Broncos produced 15 pro bowls during that period, led by the Baltimore Colts' John Elway, who had 9.

Oakland

Ken Stabler - 7
Daryle Lamonica - 6
Rich Gannon - 5
Jeff Hostetler - 4
Jay Schroeder - 4
Marc Wilson - 4
Jim Plunkett - 4
Derek Carr - 2 (and current starter)
Carson Palmer - 2
Jamarcus Russell - 2
Kerry Collins - 2
Terrelle Pryor - 1
Jason Campbell - 1
Daunte Culpepper - 1
Andrew Walter - 1
Donald Hollas - 1
Jeff George - 1
Steve Beuerlein - 1
Tom Flores - 1 (led the team for 5 seasons, but only 1 since 1966)

The Raiders produced 15 pro bowls, led by Lamonica, Stabler, and Gannon with four each.

NY Giants

Eli Manning - 11 seasons, and current starter since he whined and threw a tantrum to leave San Diego.
Phil Simms - 11
Kerry Collins - 5
Fran Tarkenton - 5
Dave Brown - 3
Craig Morton - 3
Danny Kanell - 2
Jeff Hostetler - 2
Scott Brunner - 2
Joe Pisarcik - 2
Norm Snead - 2
Kurt Warner - 1
Gary Wood - 1

The Giants produced 11 pro bowlers, led by Fran Tarkenton and Eli Manning with 4 each.

Atlanta

Steve Bartkowski - 9 seasons
Matt Ryan - 8
Chris Chandler - 5
Chris Miller - 5
Bob Berry - 5
Michael Vick - 4
Jeff George - 2
Bobby Hebert - 2
David Archer - 2
Bob Lee - 2
Randy Johnson - 2
Joey Harrington - 1
Doug Johnson - 1
Scott Campbell - 1
Scott Hunter - 1

The Falcons had 10 pro bowls during this period, led by Matt Ryan with 3.*

How come you don't say anything about Eli Manning being drafted by SD yet you make that stupid comment about Elway and the Colts?

**Rain Man** · 07-10-2016, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

How come you don't say anything about Eli Manning being drafted by SD yet you make that stupid comment about Elway and the Colts?

Eli Manning is exactly the same thing as Elway. I was remiss in not pointing out that Eli Manning is scum who undermined the sport, and thank you for pointing that out.

I did mention it in Heat 1, though, just so no one thinks that I'm playing favorites.

Tombstone RJ · 07-10-2016, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Eli Manning is exactly the same thing as Elway. I was remiss in not pointing out that Eli Manning is scum who undermined the sport, and thank you for pointing that out.

I did mention it in Heat 1, though, just so no one thinks that I'm playing favorites.

Sounds like you got QB envy issues.

Coochie liquor · 07-10-2016, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

How come you don't say anything about Eli Manning being drafted by SD yet you make that stupid comment about Elway and the Colts?

You new here? Eff Dungver!

Tombstone RJ · 07-10-2016, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

You new here? Eff Dungver!

Yep, it's QB envy.

Coochie liquor · 07-10-2016, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Yep, it's QB envy.

Must be. Your teams amazing qb drafting skills leaves me drooling.

You guys did a great job of winning the lottery (Manning)
Can't wait to see what comes next.

**Rain Man** · 07-10-2016, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Yep, it's QB envy.

The Chiefs had their own QB with a 79 career QB rating in Matt Cassel. They were just smart enough to not start him for 16 years.

Tombstone RJ · 07-11-2016, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Must be. Your teams amazing qb drafting skills leaves me drooling.

You guys did a great job of winning the lottery (Manning)
Can't wait to see what comes next.

I can't wait either!

Mile High Mania · 07-11-2016, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Must be. Your teams amazing qb drafting skills leaves me drooling.

You guys did a great job of winning the lottery (Manning)
Can't wait to see what comes next.

If you want to judge teams purely on greatness at drafting a QB, the list is small... PIT, DAL, SF...

Tombstone RJ · 07-11-2016, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

If you want to judge teams purely on greatness at drafting a QB, the list is small... PIT, DAL, SF...

SF didn't draft Steve Young...

View Poll Results: Two-part question
Part 1. Which of these teams has the STRONGEST QB history over the past 50 years?	1	2.94%
Buffalo	6	17.65%
Denver	20	58.82%
Oakland	3	8.82%
New York Giants	5	14.71%
Atlanta	0	0%
Part 2. Which of these teams has the WEAKEST QB history over the past 50 years?	1	2.94%
Buffalo	1	2.94%
Denver	1	2.94%
Oakland	5	14.71%
New York Giants	1	2.94%
Atlanta	26	76.47%
I am keeping in mind that a QB's reputation does not always equate to his on-field performance.	1	2.94%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

07-10-2016, 01:00 PM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3148491 VARSITY	Quarterbackery: Round 4, Heat 2 We have five teams in this heat with a heavy dose of original AFL. Buffalo Joe Ferguson - 12 Jim Kelly - 11 Ryan Fitzpatrick - 4 Drew Bledsoe - 3 Dennis Shaw - 3 Jack Kemp - 3 (led team for 6 seasons, 3 before 1966) Doug Flutie - 2 Trent Edwards - 2 Tyrod Taylor - 1 (Current starter) Kyle Orton - 1 E.J. Manuel - 1 J.P. Losman - 1 Kelly Holcomb - 1 Alex Van Pelt - 1 Rob Johnson - 1 Todd Collins - 1 Vince Ferragamo - 1 Dan Darragh - 1 The Bills produced 10 pro bowlers in 50 years, with Jim Kelly leading at 5. Denver John Elway - 16 Craig Morton - 5 Peyton Manning - 4 Jake Plummer - 4 Brian Griese - 4 Steve Ramsey - 3 Charley Johnson - 3 Kyle Orton - 2 Jay Cutler - 2 Steve Tensi - 2 Tim Tebow - 1 Steve Deberg - 1 Pete Liske - 1 Marlin Briscoe - 1 Max Choboian - 1 The Broncos produced 15 pro bowls during that period, led by the Baltimore Colts' John Elway, who had 9. Oakland Ken Stabler - 7 Daryle Lamonica - 6 Rich Gannon - 5 Jeff Hostetler - 4 Jay Schroeder - 4 Marc Wilson - 4 Jim Plunkett - 4 Derek Carr - 2 (and current starter) Carson Palmer - 2 Jamarcus Russell - 2 Kerry Collins - 2 Terrelle Pryor - 1 Jason Campbell - 1 Daunte Culpepper - 1 Andrew Walter - 1 Donald Hollas - 1 Jeff George - 1 Steve Beuerlein - 1 Tom Flores - 1 (led the team for 5 seasons, but only 1 since 1966) The Raiders produced 15 pro bowls, led by Lamonica, Stabler, and Gannon with four each. NY Giants Eli Manning - 11 seasons, and current starter since he whined and threw a tantrum to leave San Diego. Phil Simms - 11 Kerry Collins - 5 Fran Tarkenton - 5 Dave Brown - 3 Craig Morton - 3 Danny Kanell - 2 Jeff Hostetler - 2 Scott Brunner - 2 Joe Pisarcik - 2 Norm Snead - 2 Kurt Warner - 1 Gary Wood - 1 The Giants produced 11 pro bowlers, led by Fran Tarkenton and Eli Manning with 4 each. Atlanta Steve Bartkowski - 9 seasons Matt Ryan - 8 Chris Chandler - 5 Chris Miller - 5 Bob Berry - 5 Michael Vick - 4 Jeff George - 2 Bobby Hebert - 2 David Archer - 2 Bob Lee - 2 Randy Johnson - 2 Joey Harrington - 1 Doug Johnson - 1 Scott Campbell - 1 Scott Hunter - 1 The Falcons had 10 pro bowls during this period, led by Matt Ryan with 3.*
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Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3148491 VARSITY	These teams are definitely a stop down from the Top Tier teams. They all generally have long tenures of average quarterbacks and occasional bursts of greatness. But none had that long-time high-performing franchise QB other than the Bills with 11 years of Kelly. In the end, I put Oakland at the bottom of the list. They just haven't had the consistent history that I'd like to see. I refuse to state who I voted for at the top of the list because I respect the game of football. In the end, I think the reasonable vote is for Buffalo or Denver at the top, and it's kind of a wash, and the other three in a coin flip at the bottom. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit. Last edited by Rain Man; 07-10-2016 at 01:33 PM..
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