Chiefs Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block - Page 4

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-09-2014, 12:05 PM

Other than Berry and Houston, who were both no brainers that any GM would have drafted in that position, he really didn't draft that well

**MahiMike** · 09-09-2014, 12:08 PM

You forgot our biggest anchor in Bowe.

Mr_Tomahawk · 09-09-2014, 12:08 PM

DORSEID >>>> PIOLEYNNEL

Mr. Arrowhead · 09-09-2014, 12:11 PM

this is pointless discussion Dorsey will be here at least til the end of the 2016 season IMO

Shox · 09-09-2014, 12:12 PM

I'm sorry the worst unit on this team is WR and it is not even close.

You could cut them all loose and the only one who would find another job would be Bowe. It might be as a redzone specialist and not even a #2 guy.

The DB/S are not good, but a lot their problem is Dorsey. Look at Kendricks, he has a starting job with another team.

Oline is the second worst unit. Outside of Fisher not much there.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-09-2014, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

this is pointless discussion Dorsey will be here at least til the end of the 2016 season IMO

Bare minimum. He'll get at least 4 years. Probably 5+. Face it. If Pioli hadn't created such a hostile environment all the way around, he'd still be here. The Clarks have always been loyal to a fault.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-09-2014, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox

I'm sorry the worst unit on this team is WR and it is not even close.

You could cut them all loose and the only one who would find another job would be Bowe. It might be as a redzone specialist and not even a #2 guy.

The DB/S are not good, but a lot their problem is Dorsey. Look at Kendricks, he has a starting job with another team.

Oline is the second worst unit. Outside of Fisher not much there.

Avery would get a slot job somewhere.

**the Talking Can** · 09-09-2014, 12:16 PM

Pioli was an aids fueled dumpster fire. He was the Grim Reaper for this franchise. Few GMs in history have left their team a smouldering ruin the way he did.

And his draft record is embarrassing. Defending it is embarrassing.

The Dorsey/Reid era ended the moment they paid $10 dollars for a nickle QB. Just like Cassel, fear and ignorance - aka Clark Hunt - reigned. Dorsey's drafting doesn't matter. We're stuck with a ****ing nobody as our QB.

We now have the 18th best QB in the league, 3rd best QB in our conference, locked up for $45 million guaranteed. The clown just got out played by something called Jake Locker.

And we have absolutely nothing to show for having the #1 pick in the draft (the only gift Pioli gave us). Absolutely nothing.

But we still have fans who clap loudly. And we didn't do anything risky. So there's always that...

Chief Roundup · 09-09-2014, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox

I'm sorry the worst unit on this team is WR and it is not even close.

You could cut them all loose and the only one who would find another job would be Bowe. It might be as a redzone specialist and not even a #2 guy.

The DB/S are not good, but a lot their problem is Dorsey. Look at Kendricks, he has a starting job with another team.

Oline is the second worst unit. Outside of Fisher not much there.

Come the **** on Kendrick Lewis was and is a sorry POS. He ****ing sucks ass man. You are saying that Fisher is good......LOL
Your credibility was just flushed just like when I take the Browns to the Bowl.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-09-2014, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Pioli was an aids fueled dumpster fire. He was the Grim Reaper for this franchise. Few GMs in history have left their team a smouldering ruin the way he did.

And his draft record is embarrassing. Defending it is embarrassing.

The Dorsey/Reid era ended the moment they paid $10 dollars for a nickle QB. Just like Cassel, fear and ignorance - aka Clark Hunt - reigned. Dorsey's drafting doesn't matter. We're stuck with a ****ing nobody as our QB.

We now have the 18th best QB in the league, 3rd best QB in our conference, locked up for $45 million guaranteed. The clown just got out played by something called Jake Locker.

And we have absolutely nothing to show for having the #1 pick in the draft (the only gift Pioli gave us). Absolutely nothing.

But we still have fans who clap loudly. And we didn't do anything risky. So there's always that...

If Locker can stay healthy this year (probably won't happen) he'll throw for 4000 yards.

Eleazar · 09-09-2014, 12:22 PM

It's hard to believe anyone thinks Pioli was anything other than horrendous in the draft. You probably could have gotten better results if you picked using one of those powerball machines.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-09-2014, 12:27 PM

Yeah, I've never seen anyone defend it. D, can you link the thread where you and Hamas talked about this? I'd love to read it.

jd1020 · 09-09-2014, 12:27 PM

I've already chopped it off.

Dorsey is worse than Pioli, imo.

They are/were both horrible at evaluating talent. They both draft like shit. They both threw some mediocre QB on the pedestal and paid him a ridiculous amount of money. But Pioli was actually decent with the money side of the operation, Dorsey is just a complete moron. He has yet to sign anyone to a contract where you can sit back and say "well that makes sense!"

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-09-2014, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

I've already chopped it off.

Dorsey is worse than Pioli, imo.

They are/were both horrible at evaluating talent. They both draft like shit. They both threw some mediocre QB on the pedestal and paid him a ridiculous amount of money. But Pioli was actually decent with the money side of the operation, Dorsey is just a complete moron.

Reactionary bullshit. I'm left scratching my head the same way I was at this point in Pioli's tenure, but it's way too early to stake those claims. That's how bad Pioli is.

jd1020 · 09-09-2014, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Reactionary bullshit. I'm left scratching my head the same way I was at this point in Pioli's tenure, but it's way too early to stake those claims. That's how bad Pioli is.

Never too early!

Cut the head off before Arrowhead goes black again!

09-09-2014, 11:02 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4243447	Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season. Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want. But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend. With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path. He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year). We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be. The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant. Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here. I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will. I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way. That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him. This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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09-09-2014, 12:05 PM	#46
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09-09-2014, 12:08 PM	#47
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09-09-2014, 12:08 PM	#48
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $2890526	DORSEID >>>> PIOLEYNNEL __________________ Adopt-A-Chief: John Dorsey
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09-09-2014, 12:11 PM	#49
Mr. Arrowhead MVP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10015708	this is pointless discussion Dorsey will be here at least til the end of the 2016 season IMO
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09-09-2014, 12:12 PM	#50
Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	I'm sorry the worst unit on this team is WR and it is not even close. You could cut them all loose and the only one who would find another job would be Bowe. It might be as a redzone specialist and not even a #2 guy. The DB/S are not good, but a lot their problem is Dorsey. Look at Kendricks, he has a starting job with another team. Oline is the second worst unit. Outside of Fisher not much there.
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09-09-2014, 12:16 PM	#53
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	Pioli was an aids fueled dumpster fire. He was the Grim Reaper for this franchise. Few GMs in history have left their team a smouldering ruin the way he did. And his draft record is embarrassing. Defending it is embarrassing. The Dorsey/Reid era ended the moment they paid $10 dollars for a nickle QB. Just like Cassel, fear and ignorance - aka Clark Hunt - reigned. Dorsey's drafting doesn't matter. We're stuck with a **ing nobody as our QB. We now have the 18th best QB in the league, 3rd best QB in our conference, locked up for $45 million guaranteed. The clown just got out played by something called Jake Locker. And we have absolutely nothing to show for having the #1 pick in the draft (the only gift Pioli gave us). Absolutely nothing. But we still have fans who clap loudly. And we didn't do anything risky. So there's always that... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"**
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09-09-2014, 12:22 PM	#56
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	It's hard to believe anyone thinks Pioli was anything other than horrendous in the draft. You probably could have gotten better results if you picked using one of those powerball machines.
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09-09-2014, 12:27 PM	#58
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7712645	I've already chopped it off. Dorsey is worse than Pioli, imo. They are/were both horrible at evaluating talent. They both draft like shit. They both threw some mediocre QB on the pedestal and paid him a ridiculous amount of money. But Pioli was actually decent with the money side of the operation, Dorsey is just a complete moron. He has yet to sign anyone to a contract where you can sit back and say "well that makes sense!"
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