Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block

[Direckshun]

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by New World Order

O City are you okay?

Capable- having the ability, fitness, or quality necessary to do or achieve a specified thing.

Does Eric Fisher have the ability to start?

Is he a capable starter?

Have you watched any other LT's around the league?

Yes, he's a capable starter.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Why not have the "QB guru" teach them?

Because the player has to actually have the skills to make it happen!!

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It is possible the second year base salary is guaranteed. Bowes contract was structured a similar way. It wouldn't be reported as 30 mil guaranteed if it wasn't basically guaranteed.

If his base salary is guaranteed at 12 mil and his prorated bonus is 14 mil, he will cost 26 mil to cut. He isn't getting cut next year. There's a reason why some are reporting 45 mil as guaranteed.

I agree. I think it is safe to say he is here until at least 2017 unless of course we get the #1 pick in the draft or he has a career ending injury.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Because the player has to actually have the skills to make it happen!!

... What the **** does that have to do with teaching?

You think words coming out of Alex's mouth enhance skills more than a coaches?

[New World Order]

If we drafted a qb I would want Alex Smith miles away.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by New World Order

If we drafted a qb I would want Alex Smith miles away.

He was instrumental in helping Kaepernick understand the playbook and the weekly game plans. Kaepernick said as much and thanked him for it.

Alex is the right mentor, just not the guy you want to build your super bowl contender around. Bridgewater could have learned bunches from Alex, and Alex is a nice guy enough to teach him. Killer instinct guys like Joe Montana make lousy mentors, which is why he didn't help Steve Young. Alex is a nice guy who readily accepts training his replacement.

He is a perfect QB mentor.

A lot of coaches can't play but they know the mental side and communicate it. Sort of think of Alex like that as a mentor to a young developing QB behind him. Alex is the perfect mentor.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

It sucks to think we're no better than the Raiders when it comes to stability.

The Raiders have "tried" to develop a 1st or 2nd rd QB in the past decade. The Chiefs have played how many games with their own 1st or 2nd rd drafted QB in the past 30 years?

Ya'll should just fly a banner around the stadium that says "draft a QB in the 1st rd or else".

Ford < Bridgewater/Carr or Johnny (aggressive trade up)???


Most SB winners develop their own QB!

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Eureka

The Raiders have "tried" to develop a 1st or 2nd rd QB in the past decade. The Chiefs have played how many games with their own 1st or 2nd rd drafted QB in the past 30 years?

Ya'll should just fly a banner around the stadium that says "draft a QB in the 1st rd or else".

Ford < Bridgewater/Carr or Johnny (aggressive trade up)???


Most SB winners develop their own QB!

Bravo. This is mostly true. The only one in recent memory is Drew Brees.

Unfortunately many in the Chiefs Kingdom still think bringing in a Grbac, Green, Cassel, Smith, etc. can potentially yield a championship. Until we can get these morons to stop buying tickets I don't think we will ever see the ticker on the bottom of ESPN read - "With the 3rd overall pick, the KC Chiefs select XXXX XXXX QB - Buttsecks State."

[FloridaMan88]

Chiefs entire 2014 draft class was invisible in their opening game… including their top two picks… Ford and Gaines who combined for four total snaps in the Tennessee game.

That is a failure of massive proportions when your entire draft class is a non factor in week 1.

Months are spent scouting these players in college, creating a draft board, going through the NFL Combine and pro days, and then the draft all leading up to having zero impact in the Chiefs first regular season game of 2014 (which not surprisingly resulted in a blow out loss).

An organizational failure that John Dorsey needs to come out from hiding and answer to.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I have a bad feeling about all of this sadly ugh. It has to do with drafting too but not as much as the QB Dorsey/Reid have chosen. I'm not sure Dorsey/Reid are gonna get a second shot after Alex Smith doesn't pan out. Poor QB play is a regime killer. Pioli sends his best from the grave.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He has no idea what he's talking about.

The money isn't guaranteed but it is. The Chiefs would have to take a massive haircut to cut Smith next year which is why most reports are all but calling his 15m pay bump next year guaranteed.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. The fact that dipshits equate probable with inevitable isn't my ****ing problem.

[BlackOp]

This team looks lethargic...that is directly tied to poor coaching. They blew a 28 point lead in the most important game in a decade..that should never happen. Sutton is NOT a good coordinator... he's a one trick pony that inherited a slew of pro bowlers. He needs to go..and I'm starting to think Reid is just a brand name at this point. The team seems to play with the energy of AR in his Monday press conference...I watch it wondering if he is going to die of a heart attack...its like listening to a sloth drag its claws across glass.

This team looked ****ing terrible last Sunday...there is no excuse being that uncompetitive..year 2 in the "system"..

Frankly..I lost respect for Reid after that game plan..that was on par with Crennel...not an opening season display from a supposed top 5 coach. They just look like they expect to lose..and for bad things to happen.

They say pets mimic their owners...well..KC looks slow and outdated...waiting for a paycheck.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I know exactly what I'm talking about. The fact that dipshits equate probable with inevitable isn't my ****ing problem.

If you think the Chiefs are going to take a 26 million dollar haircut to cut him... Fine. That's not probable. That's 99 percent likely.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't care what anybody says. Herm deserves an apology. For God knows why, he still gets blamed for the reckless decisions made at the end of vermeils watch.

Which reckless decisions were those? You mean his bad draft picks? Yeah. Had Dick and Carl drafted better, the team would have had more young talent on the defensive side. He was often vilified for not putting rookies who could not play on the field, as if playing them magically makes them better. He played rookies who deserved it, and kept ones who could not on the bench. I'm not entirely sure if that's DV or Carl, but DV drafted a lot of shit with the Rams too.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Even if herm wasn't a good coach, he and kuharich built the team the right way.

Meh. Look at the reality man. Herm drafted well enough in 2006 and 2007. He hit on his first rounders. Neither were busts. His 2006 draft was pretty much useless outside of round 1. Actually... so was his 2007 draft! The best player picked after the 1st in 2006 was Pollard, and I was never a fan of Pollard. His QBOTF never won a game. In 2007 his best pick aside from Bowe was Kolby Smith. His attempts to bolster the DL were entirely unsuccessful. All of those shitty players got lots of playing time though.

Then prior to a very deep 2008 draft Carl Peterson had pissed off our elite pass rusher so badly we were able to trade him for what was essentially a king's ransom. KC hit it out of the ballpark in 2008. I can't give credit to Herm. KC had no choice but to trade Allen. That was all Carl's doing.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I really wish we could have seen what this team could have been if this team was passed on to better hands than Pioli.

I'd rather KC to have hired Sean Payton instead of Herm. I guarandamntee you we wouldn't have been rocking Damon Huard, Brodie Croyle, and Tyler Thigpen at QB.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

For instance, if we stuck with a 4-3...we were very close to having a potentially shutdown defense.

I'm trying to avoid sarcasm, but did you not watch KC's defense in 2008? They were horrific. They set an NFL record for fewest sacks in a season. They were a LONG way from being 'shutdown'. They were a ways off from being competitive.

I feel a lot of people on this site give Herm way too much credit.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

And then when other teams draft BPA they're "so smart to stay with their board" people here constantly talk out both sides of their mouths.

Originally Posted by O.city

Drafting for needs early, ends you up with pukes like Tyson Jackson and Jonathan Baldwin.

The philosophy behind his draft picks are solid, the players at this point, are not.

When you are a team that has a ton of holes on your roster, drafting the BPA and for need aren't separate philosophies.

The 2013 draft was a shallow draft, so the top of the board should have been filled with a lot of names that could be viewed as BPA.

The Chiefs could have taken Sheldon Richardson to fill a need, and that could easily have been justified as BPA.

The same could be said for Dee Millner.

They instead chose to fill a future need, rather than address an immediate need.

In the 2014 draft, the Chiefs could have gone with Darquise Dennard, Jason Verret, Kelvin Benjamin, Jimmy Ward, Xavier Su'a Filo, hell 4 or 5 others that were taken in the next 10 picks, and easily could be seen as BPA, all of whom could have filled a huge gaping hole.

They chose instead to fil a future need.