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Old 05-22-2012, 09:15 AM  
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Daboll installing the 2010 Browns Offense?
Running back Peyton Hillis on what offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, his former coach in Cleveland, brings to the Chiefs and his smooth transition to a similar offense:

“It was good coming in and already knowing the playbook. When you know what you’re doing, you’re faster when you do it. He (Daboll) knows how to create mismatches for me out of the backfield, and then at the receiver spot. He’s really good with the quarterbacks too. It’s been pretty laid back for me, just helping the guys get to know the playbook and get things going. It’s good for me, and it’s good for the other teammates in the room with me because I can help them out.”
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:47 PM   #106
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Well, I'm not gonna throw a hissy just yet.

We do have much better pieces in place than Cleveland had.
same shit we have heard for years...

WE always have the better players.. Herm wont touch the offense, etc....


No matter the talent, when you add shit coaching to a talented team you end up with shit. Never fails.
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:49 PM   #107
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Jake Delhomme/Colt McCoy/Seneca Wallace at QB.
Jack & Shit for WR talent.

Oh noooooooooes!
Their QBs were better than ours. So?
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:03 PM   #108
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Are you really posting shit from BEFORE this was a QB driven league?
Montana, Young, Aikman, Favre, Elway. It's been a QB driven league for quite some time.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:05 PM   #109
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Montana, Young, Aikman, Favre, Elway. It's been a QB driven league for quite some time.
You're a moron.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:06 PM   #110
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Montana, Young, Aikman, Favre, Elway. It's been a QB driven league for quite some time.
No, you're kidding yourself if you think the same pressures were on those guys. They weren't throwing 40 times a game, which is the norm for any QB in the top 15 nowadays.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:09 PM   #111
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No, you're kidding yourself if you think the same pressures were on those guys.
There was MORE pressure, because it was harder to pass, and defenses could get away with a lot more.

It has really always been a QB driven league.
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There was MORE pressure on wide receivers, because it was harder to catch a pass, and defenses could get away with a lot more.

It has really always been a QB driven league.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:14 PM   #113
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Quinn will be our starting QB. Bank on it. Quinn was drafted by Crennel and he knows Daboll's offense. Cassel is on a VERY short leash; he screws up and it is all the reason RAC needs to put in his golden boy.

Personally, I think Quinn will be a major upgrade over Cassel--that isn't saying a whole lot, but take it for what it is.
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QBs have it easy today. Guys like Montana and Elway would be ****ing insane players with the rules the way they are today.

A dude like Cassel would have been drummed out in the league in 1990.
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It wasn't tougher on QB's when you defenses could hit them high and low, when receivers were getting mugged their entire routes?

It's been a QB driven league for quite some time.
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There was MORE pressure, because it was harder to pass, and defenses could get away with a lot more.

It has really always been a QB driven league.
No, it has not.

How many Elite QBs were there 20 yrs ago?

Elway
Montana
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No, it has not.

How many Elite QBs were there 20 yrs ago?

Elway
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THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS HARDER TO PLAY QUARTERBACK, DUMBASS.
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It wasn't tougher on QB's when you defenses could hit them high and low, when receivers were getting mugged their entire routes?

It's been a QB driven league for quite some time.
Look, it's obviously been a QB driven league for quite some time. If you're trying to tell me that it is easier to be a quarterback now, then no, you are wrong. The stats have gone up, yes. The good quarterbacks are obviously raking it in.

That said, anytime your attempts go up, the difference between the good and the bad gets wider and wider.

If Kobe Bryant and I each have 10 shots to see who is a better shooter, the odds are significantly more favorable than if we have 100 or 1000.

The number of attempts the quarterbacks are making these days is staggering. No QB had to do that before 2005.

Oh, and your whole argument that it's easier nowadays only validates that quarterbacks are more important, or at least AS important, than ever. Because guess what? If the other guys in your division can throw for 5,000, 40 TD, and 8 INT, then you better be able to keep up. Or you will not be beating those guys. To paraphrase you, your defense can't stop the other team by going high and low and mugging receivers, so your QB better keep up.

QB is way more valuable than OC or HC. It's my thesis, and frankly no one has said a word yet to disprove it. You want to start counting how many QB have won with different coaches vs coaches winning with different QB? Tell me what happens when Jimmy Johnson doesn't have Aikman.

George Seiffert sure looked amazing without Steve Young.
Marty Shottenheimer was a postseason punchline until he got Montana.
Belichick was a Cleveland turd until suddenly Tom Brady came out of heaven, put down his harp, and picked up the ball.


Coaches can get teams together, sure, and it's not an absolute rule, but the QB makes the coach, and not the other way around, 90% of the time.
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No, it has not.

How many Elite QBs were there 20 yrs ago?

Elway
Montana
Marino
Elway, Montana, Marino, Young, Aikman, Favre, Kelly.
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THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS HARDER TO PLAY QUARTERBACK, DUMBASS.
No shit.

That is why this era is QB driven.

Not then, when you could win with good D and a running game.

You've gone of on some crazy tangent.
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