Student Stands up to Crappy Teacher

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I like this kid.

I already know the reaction it's gonna get here but oh well...

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

If you have no issue with what was said, then why bother attacking those who agreed with his rant?

I didn't see where he said he had an issue with the message, but with the method of delivery.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I agree. They do think they are different.

Do you not agree that the American Family is different now compared to what it was when you were a kid?

Do you not agree that there are more single parent households today vs when you were a teen?

Yes.

I don't have the statistics memorized, but I'd imagine there are more single parent families now than in the 80s, yes.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You got pretty much everything wrong. What you did was try to protect a really poor take about devaluing by throwing a "you don't know" blanket over it.



My brother's been working with the sort of kids who are beyond special needs, if you understand what I'm saying, and he wouldn't buy your line.



Yeah, that's a really ****ing stupid outlook.

Well, your brother and I probably come from two different backgrounds. I doubt he grew up with and lived with the kids he is now teaching.

And as far the devaluing thing goes, yes, i think it's silly to devalue his statement simply because he said it in a rude manner. Just because he didn't do it the way we all would like him to do it doesn't make it any less true.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I classify him that way not based on this one argument alone, but many. I've told him this numerous times, he knows this. He'll even admit it to you.

That doesn't undermine what I said, though, at all. It reinforces my point, actually. You're being a hypocrite.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

i'm not really surprised at the flock of ****ing reeruned idiots who think that this is acceptable to :

1) speak to elders like this
2)speak to authority figure like this
3)speak to a teacher like this
4)behave in public like this
5)handle conflict in an outburst, rather than 1 on 1
6)use 'fricken' repeatedly, in classroom
7)behave aggressively
8)disregard an order to leave


Obviously you are all products of the pussification of our country. When I was in school, this may have been cause for getting permanently removed from whatever class that was...

Anyone that thinks this kid 'did the right thing' (despite whether he may be factually correct that packets suck) is a part of the ****ing problem and not the solution.

Good luck with your shitty jobs and lives in the trailer park.

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

I didn't see where he said he had an issue with the message, but with the method of delivery.

His first post in this thread was to clearly insult those who agreed with the kid. Before this post was made, no one was talking about the manner in which it was said, everyone was talking about what he actually said.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I classify him that way not based on this one argument alone, but many. I've told him this numerous times, he knows this. He'll even admit it to you.

Have you and I interfaced before this thread?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Well, your brother and I probably come from two different backgrounds. I doubt he grew up with and lived with the kids he is now teaching.

And as far the devaluing thing goes, yes, i think it's silly to devalue his statement simply because he said it in a rude manner. Just because he didn't do it the way we all would like him to do it doesn't make it any less true.

First, stop pretending that you're some unique little snowflake. You're different, just like every other human being ever.

Second, as to the devaluing, you jumped to a conclusion without sufficient facts and then dug in when evidence that would generally run against your conclusion was presented, and began tossing out the "You can't understand" bullshit. Don't go patting yourself on the back for that. You're just being an arrogant ass.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Donger

Have you and I interfaced before this thread?

You can't be serious....

Donger, you gotta get that memory checked out, man. It's going to shit.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

His first post in this thread was to clearly insult those who agreed with the kid. Before this post was made, no one was talking about the manner in which it was said, everyone was talking about what he actually said.

you really cant read, can you?

My post was ENTIRELY about the manner in which he said it.......(see where i said 'factually correct' in YOUR quote ?)

As was every post thereafter...

Holy shit you are dumb

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

First, stop pretending that you're some unique little snowflake. You're different, just like every other human being ever.

Second, as to the devaluing, you jumped to a conclusion without sufficient facts and then dug in when evidence that would generally run against your conclusion was presented, and began tossing out the "You can't understand" bullshit. Don't go patting yourself on the back for that. You're just being an arrogant ass.

Actually i am unique in the sense that i've actually had real world experience on all 3 levels of this subject. Im sorry that you would rather dismiss that and write it off as arrogance.

And i never jumped to any conclusion. As i stated, this kid is probably an emotionally distraught teen. I stated that very early in this thread. I never said that i agreed with the way he handled it.

I did say that i agree with what he said and that expecting a teen like this to handle his emotions in an adult fashion isn't always realistic, because teens are very reactionary.

If this were my classroom, i would've had to have pulled this kid out of class, had a long ass talk with him and sent him home.

But again, none of that changes the fact that what he said was true.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

you really cant read, can you?

My post was ENTIRELY about the manner in which he said it.......(see where i said 'factually correct' in YOUR quote ?)

As was every post thereafter...

Holy shit you are dumb

So then when you came in with your rant insulting people, who were you directing it at? Because no one was talking about the manner in which he delivered his speech.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yeah, I would think that if his opinion was valid, there would have been a few whistles or cheers. Silence.

really? thats not totally true.

the guy taping it agrees with him on at least one occasion.

square biz. i think is how he put it, without watching again

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Actually i am unique in the sense that i've actually had real world experience on all 3 levels of this subject. Im sorry that you would rather dismiss that and write it off as arrogance.

But the point is that you are not, in fact, unique, and you are trying to use a false claim of uniqueness to dismiss any contrary opinion. You are, in fact, being an arrogant ass.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

And i never jumped to any conclusion. As i stated, this kid is probably an emotionally distraught teen. I stated that very early in this thread. I never said that i agreed with the way he handled it.

Of course you jumped to a conclusion. Without seeing the lead up, you jumped in and claimed the kid was right. In reality, he's partially right at best, and mostly wrong even when given the benefit of the doubt.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I did say that i agree with what he said and that expecting a teen like this to handle his emotions in an adult fashion isn't always realistic, because teens are very reactionary.

Yeah, that's a ridiculous take.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

If this were my classroom, i would've had to have pulled this kid out of class, had a long ass talk with him and sent him home.

But again, none of that changes the fact that what he said was true.

Your disclaimer nothwitstanding, the question of whether he had a legitimate gripe or was just being a whiny little shit does, in fact, change whether what he was saying is true or not.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

How he went about it and what he said are two different arguments.

I think most of us can agree that he didn't go about it in a mature way. That doesn't mean his statement doesn't have truth to it, which afterall, is what this thread is about.

Just out of curiosity, what do you believe the truthful part of his statement to be?

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Just out of curiosity, what do you believe the truthful part of his statement to be?

That kids respond far better from an engaging, thought provoking teacher, opposed to being handed a packet and told "get to reading".

In my experiences, teens get in the most trouble and are the least productive when told to basically go learn on your own.