*****OFFICIAL 2015 CP NFL Mock Draft Thread*****

[The Franchise]

Once you have made your selection, PM THE NEXT TEAM SO THAT THEY KNOW THEY ARE ON THE CLOCK. THIS IS ****ING GOD DAMN IMPORTANT.

Round 1
1. Tampa Bay - Tambaberry - Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State
2. Tennessee - Hoover - Leonard Williams, DE/DT, USC
3. Jacksonville - Dicky McElephant - Dante Fowler, DE/OLB, Florida
4. Oakland - ChiefsCountry - Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama
5. Washington - Billay - Randy Gregory, OLB, Nebraska
6. New York Jets - Nightfyre - Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
7. Chicago - Discuss Thrower - Danny Shelton, NT, Washington
8. Atlanta - BossChief - Kevin White, WR, West Virginia
9. New York Giants - Marco Polo - Vic Beasley, DE/OLB, Clemson
10. St. Louis - Rams Fan - Brandon Scherff, OL, Iowa
11. Minnesota - SNR - DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville
12. Cleveland - chiefscafan - Shane Ray, LB, Missouri
13. New Orleans - Direckshun - Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State
14. Miami - DaKCManAP - Landon Collins, S, Alabama
15. San Francisco - Sfeihc - Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State
16. Houston - kccrow - Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest
17. San Diego - Rams Fan - Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia
18. Kansas City - Direckshun - Cameron Erving, C, Florida State
19. Cleveland - (from Buffalo) - chiefscafan - Arik Armstead, DE/DT, Oregon
20. Philadelphia - DaKCManAP - La'el Collins, OL, LSU
21. Cincinnati - Tambaberry - Eric Kendricks, LB, UCLA
22. Pittsburgh - Discuss Thrower - Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota
23. Detroit - Sfeihc -Malcom Brown, DT, Texas
24. Arizona - chiefscafan - Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin
25. Carolina - Dicky McElephant - Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami
26. Baltimore - Billay - Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma
27. Dallas - ChiefsCountry - Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma
28. Denver - Marco Polo - Alvin Dupree, DE/OLB, Kentucky
29. Indianapolis - BossChief - Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford
30. Green Bay - SNR - Marcus Peters, CB, Washington
31. New Orleans (from SEA) - Direckshun - Eli Harold, LB, Virginia
32. New England - kccrow - Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State

Round 2
33. Tennessee - Hoover - T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh
34. Tampa Bay - Tambaberry - Owamagbe Odighizuwa, DE, UCLA
35. Oakland - ChiefsCountry - DJ Humphries, OT, Florida
36. Jacksonville - Dicky McElephant - P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State
37. New York Jets - Nightfyre - Danielle Hunter, OLB, LSU
38. Washington - Billay - Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
39. Chicago - Discuss Thrower - Preston Smith, DE, Mississippi State
40. New York Giants - Marco Polo - Shaq Thompson, LB, Washington
41. St. Louis - RamsFan - Hroniss Grasu, C, Oregon
42. Atlanta - BossChief - Nate Orchard, DE, Utah
43. Cleveland - chiefscafan - Denzel Perryman, LB, Miami
44. New Orleans - Direckshun - Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State
45. Minnesota - SNR - A.J. Cann, G, South Carolina
46. San Francisco - Sfeihc - Benardrick McKinney, LB, Mississippi State
47. Miami - DaKCManAP - Breshad Perriman, WR, Central Florida
48. San Diego - RamsFan - Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA
49. Kansas City - Direckshun - Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State
50. Buffalo - CleveSteve - Xavier Cooper, DE, Washington State
51. Houston - kccrow - Stephone Anthony, LB, Clemson
52. Philadelphia - DaKCManAP - Nelson Agholor, WR, USC
53. Cincinnati - Tambaberry - Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami
54. Detroit - Sfeihc - Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon
55. Arizona - chiefscafan - Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor
56. Pittsburgh - Discuss Thrower - Anthony Harris, S, Virginia
57. Carolina - Dicky McElephant - Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn
58. Baltimore - Billay - Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State
59. Denver - Marco Polo - Carl Davis, DT, Iowa
60. Dallas - ChiefsCountry - Paul Dawson, LB, TCU
61. Indianapolis - BossChief - Mario Edwards, DL, Florida State
62. Green Bay - SNR - Alex Carter, CB, Stanford
63. Seattle - Nightfyre - Clive Walford, TE, Miami
64. New England - kccrow - Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska

Round 3
65. Tampa Bay - Tambaberry - Laken Tomlinson, OL, Duke
66. Tennessee - Hoover - Byron Jones, CB, Connecticut
67. Jacksonville - Dicky McElephant - Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State
68. Oakland - ChiefsCountry - Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M
69. Washington - Billay - Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State
70. New York Jets - Nightfyre - Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State
71. Chicago - Discuss Thrower - Cody Prewitt, S, Mississippi
72. St. Louis - Rams Fan - Eric Rowe, CB, Utah
73. Atlanta - BossChief - Donovan Smith, OT, Penn State
74. New York Giants - Marco Polo - Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin
75. New Orleans - Direckshun - Tre Jackson, G, Florida State
76. Minnesota - SNR - Quinten Rollins, CB, Miami (OH)
77. Cleveland - chiefscafan - Tyler Kroft, TE, Rutgers
78. New Orleans (from MIA) - Direckshun - Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State
79. San Francisco - Sfeihc - D'Joun Smith, CB, Florida Atlantic
80. Kansas City - Direckshun - Justin Hardy, WR, East Carolina
81. Buffalo - CleveSteve - Josue Matias, OG, Florida State
82. Houston - kccrow - Lorenzo Mauldin, DE/OLB, Louisville
83. San Diego - Rams Fan - Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford
84. Philadelphia - DaKCManAP - Damarious Randall, S, Arizona State
85. Cincinnati - Tambaberry - Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon
86. Arizona - chiefscafan - Kevin White, CB, TCU
87. Pittsburgh - Discuss Thrower - Geneo Grissom, LB, Oklahoma
88. Detroit - Sfeihc - Duke Johnson, RB, Miami
89. Carolina - Dicky McElephant - Devin Funchess, WR/TE, Michigan
90. Baltimore - Billay - Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana
91. Dallas - ChiefsCountry - Jaquiski Tartt, S, Samford
92. Denver - Marco Polo - Ali Marpet, G, Hobart
93. Indianapolis - BossChief - TJ Yeldon, RB, Alabama
94. Green Bay - SNR - Daryl Williams,OT, Oklahoma
95. Seattle - Nightfyre - Michael Bennett, DT, Ohio State
96. New England - kccrow - Joshua Shaw, CB, USC
97. (C) New England - kccrow - Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary
98. (C) Kansas City - Direckshun - Hau'oli Kikaha, OLB, Washington
99. (C) Cincinnati - Tambaberry - Marcus Hardison, DL, Arizona State

Round 4
100. Tennessee - Hoover - Trey Flowers, DE, Arkansas
101. New England (from TB) - kccrow - Tyler Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State
102. Oakland - ChiefsCountry - Derron Smith, S, Fresno State
103. Jacksonville - Dicky McElephant - John Miller, OG, Louisville
104. New York Jets - Nightfyre - Henry Anderson, DE, Stanford
105. Washington - Billay - Kurtis Drummond, S, Michigan State
106. Chicago - Discuss Thrower - David Johnson, RB, Northern Iowa
107. Atlanta - BossChief - Gerod Holliman, S, Louisville
108. New York Giants - Marco Polo - Grady Jarrett, DT, Clemson
109. Tampa Bay (from STL) - Tambaberry - Senquez Golson, CB, Mississippi
110. Minnesota - SNR - Jeremy Langford, RB, Michigan State
111. Cleveland - chiefscafan - Ellis McCarthy, DT, UCLA
112. Seattle (from NO) - Nightfyre - Deandre Smelter, WR, Georgia Tech
113. Philadelphia (from SF) - DaKCManAP - Kwon Alexander, LB, LSU
114. Miami - DaKCManAP - Arie Kouandjio, G, Alabama
115. Cleveland (from BUF) - chiefscafan - Corey Robinson, OT, South Carolina
116. Houston - kccrow - Chris Conley, WR, Georgia
117. San Diego - Rams Fan - Jake Ryan, LB, Michigan
118. Kansas City - Direckshun - Taiwan Jones, LB, Michigan State
119. St. Louis (from PHI) - Rams Fan - Deon Barnes, DE, Penn State
120. Cincinnati - Tambaberry - Doran Grant, DB, Ohio State
121. Pittsburgh - Discuss Thrower - Jamil Douglas, G, Arizona State
122. Baltimore (from DET) - Billay - Nick O'Leary, TE, Florida State
123. Arizona - chiefscafan - Max Valles, OLB, Virginia
124. Carolina - Dicky McElephant - Ben Koyak, TE, Notre Dame
125. Baltimore - Billay - Jeremiah Poutasi, G, Utah
126. San Francisco (from DEN) - Sfeihc - Jeff Heuerman, TE, Ohio State
127. Dallas - ChiefsCountry - Karlos Williams, RB, Florida State
128. Indianapolis - BossChief - Jermaine Whitehead, S, Auburn
129. Green Bay - SNR - Gabe Wright, DL, Auburn
130. Seattle - Nightfyre - Jarvis Harrison, G, Texas A&M
131. New England - kccrow - Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska
132. (C) San Francisco - Sfeihc - David Cobb, RB, Minnesota
133. (C) Denver - Marco Polo - Mitch Morse, OT, Missouri
134. (C) Seattle - Nightfyre - Tyrus Thompson, OT, Oklahoma
135. (C) Cincinnati - Tambaberry - Wes Saxton, TE, South Alabama
136. (C) Baltimore - Billay - Stefon Diggs, WR, Maryland

Round 5
137. Minnesota (from BUF) - SNR - Jesse James, TE, Penn State
138. Tennessee - Hoover - Mike Davis, RB, South Carolina
139. Jacksonville - Dicky McElephant - Reese Dismukes, C, Auburn
140. Oakland - ChiefsCountry - Bobby Richardson, DT, Indiana
141. Washington - CleveSteve - Leterrius Walton, D, Central Michigan
142. Chicago (from NYJ) - Discuss Thrower - BJ Finney, C, Kansas State
143. Denver (from CHI) - Marco Polo - Shane Carden, QB, East Carolina
144. New York Giants - Marco Polo - Sean Hickey, OT, Syracuse
145. Philadelphia (from STL) - DaKCManAP - Za'Darius Smith, DE, Kentucky
146. Atlanta - BossChief - Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville
147. Cleveland - chiefscafan - Chaz Green, OT, Florida
148. New Orleans - Direckshun - Justin Cox, CB/S, Mississippi State
149. Miami (from MIN) - DaKCManAP - Davis Tull, OLB, Chattanooga
150. Miami - DaKCManAP - Jacoby Glenn, CB, UCF
151. San Francisco - Sfeihc - Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon St
152. Houston - kccrow - Javorius Allen, RB, USC
153. San Diego - Rams Fan - Joey Mbu, NT, Houston
154. New Orleans (from KC) - Direckshun - Ramik Wilson, LB, Georgia
155. Buffalo - CleveSteve - Anthony Jefferson, S, UCLA
156. Philadelphia - DaKCManAP - Lynden Trail, DE/OLB, Norfolk State
157. Cincinnati - Tambaberry - Adrian Amos, S, Penn State
158. Baltimore (from DET) - CleveSteve - Markus Golden, OLB, Missouri
159. Arizona - chiefscafan - Josh Harper, WR, Fresno State
160. Pittsburgh - Discuss Thrower - Kaleb Eulls, DE, Mississippi State
161. Carolina - Dicky McElephant - Anthony Chickillo, DE, Miami
162. Tampa Bay (from BAL) - Tambaberry - Mario Alford, WR, West Virginia
163. Dallas - ChiefsCountry - Craig Mager, CB, Texas State
164. Denver - Marco Polo - MyCole Pruitt, TE, Southern Illinois
165. Indianapolis - BossChief - Robert Myers, G, Tennessee State
166. Green Bay - SNR - Kyle Emanuel, DE/OLB, North Dakota State
167. Seattle - Nightfyre - Tevin McDonald, S, Eastern Washington
168. Tampa Bay (from NE) - Tambaberry - James Sample, S, Louisville
169. Carolina (C) - Dicky McElephant - Ladarius Gunter, CB/S, Miami
170. Seattle (C) - Nightfyre - Zack-Wagenmann Waterman, DE, Montana
171. Baltimore (C) - CleveSteve - Chris Hackett, S, TCU
172. Kansas City (C) - Direckshun - Will Tye, TE, Stony Brook
173. Kansas City (C) - Direckshun - Terry Williams, NT, East Carolina
174. Carolina (C) - Dicky McElephant - Cameron Artis-Payne, RB, Auburn
175. Houston (C) - kccrow - Clayton Geathers, S, Central Florida
176. Baltimore (C) - CleveSteve - Ray Drew, DE, Georgia

Round 6
177. Tennessee - Hoover - Tony Lippett, WR Michigan State
178. New England (from TB) - kccrow - Darryl Roberts, CB, Marshall
179. Oakland - ChiefsCountry - Frank Clark, DE, Michigan
180. Jacksonville - Dicky McElephant - Jamison Crowder, WR, Duke
181. Seattle (from NYJ) - Nightfyre - Brandon Bridge, QB, South Alabama
182. Washington - CleveSteve - Mark Glowinski, G, West Virginia
183. Chicago - Discuss Thrower - Deontay Greenberry, WR, Houston
184. Tampa Bay (from STL) - Tambaberry - Carlos Thompson, DE, Mississippi
185. Atlanta - BossChief - Hayes Pullard, LB, USC
186. New York Giants - Marco Polo - Blake Bell, TE, Oklahoma
187. New Orleans - Direckshun - E.J. Bibbs, TE, Iowa State
188. Buffalo (from MIN) - CleveSteve - Max Garcia, OL, Florida
189. Cleveland - chiefscafan - Chris Bonner, QB, Colorado State-Pueblo
190. San Francisco - Sfeihc - Ben Beckwith, OL, Mississippi State
191. Miami - DaKCManAP - Christian Covington, DT, Rice
192. San Diego - Rams Fan - Darrian Miller, OT, Kentucky
193. Kansas City - Direckshun - Mike Hull, LB, Penn State
194. Buffalo - CleveSteve - Cody Fajardo, QB Nevada
195. Houston - kccrow - Andy Gallik, C, Boston College
196. Philadelphia - DaKCManAP - Lorenzo Doss, CB, Tulane
197. Cincinnati - Tambaberry - Ben Heeney, OLB, Kansas
198. Arizona - chiefscafan - Nick Marshall, QB/CB, Auburn
199. Pittsburgh - Discuss Thrower - Zach Zenner, FB, South Dakota State
200. Detroit - Sfeihc - Shaquille Mason, C/G, Ga. Tech.
201. Carolina - Dicky McElephant - Martrell Spaight, OLB, Arkansas
202. Cleveland (from BAL) - chiefscafan - Austin Hill, WR, Arizona
203. Denver - Marco Polo - Brian Mihalik, DE, Boston College
204. Baltimore (from DAL) - CleveSteve - Ibraheim Campbell, S, Northwestern
205. Indianapolis - BossChief - Durell Eskridge, S, Syracuse
206. Green Bay - SNR - Zach Vigil, LB, Utah State
207. Indianapolis (from SEA) - BossChief - Justin Manton, P/K, Louisiana-Monroe
208. Tennessee (from NE) - Hoover - Darren Waller, WR, Georgia Tech
209. Seattle (C) - Nightfyre - Laurence Gibson, OT, Virginia Tech
210. Green Bay (C) - SNR - Nick Boyle, TE, Delaware
211. Houston (C) - kccrow - Rory Anderson, TE, South Carolina
212. Pittsburgh (C) - Discuss Thrower - Tevaughn Campbell, DB, Regina
213. Green Bay (C) - SNR - Josh Robinson, RB, Mississippi State
214. Seattle (C) - Nightfyre - JaCorey Shepherd, CB, Kansas
215. St. Louis (C) - Rams Fan - Zach Hodges, OLB, Harvard
216. Houston (C) - kccrow - Tyrell Williams, WR, Western Oregon
217. Kansas City (C) - Direckshun - Xavier Williams, DL, Northern Iowa

7th Round
218. Tampa Bay - Tambaberry - Dezmin Lewis, WR, Central Arkansas
219. New England (from TEN) - kccrow - Kevin Snyder, LB, Rutgers
220. Jacksonville - Dicky McElephant - Cam Thomas, DB, Western Kentucky
221. Oakland - ChiefsCountry - Vince Mayle, WR, Washington State
222. Washington - CleveSteve -Jamon Brown, OT, Louisville
223. New York Jets - Nightfyre - Tyeler Davison, NT, Fresno State
224. New York Jets (from CHI) - Nightfyre - John Crockett, RB, North Dakota State
225. Atlanta - BossChief - Michael Dyer, RB, Louisville
226. New York Giants - Marco Polo - Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DT, Southern Mississippi
227. St. Louis - Rams Fan - Tyler Varga, FB, Yale
228. Minnesota - SNR - Cedric Reed, DE, Texas
229. Cleveland - chiefscafan - Antwan Goodley, WR, Baylor
230. New Orleans - Direckshun - Adam Shead, G, Oklahoma
231. Detroit (from MIA) - Sfeihc - Randall Evans, CB, Kansas State
232. Minnesota (from SF) - SNR - Kyshoen Jarrett, S, Virginia Tech
233. Kansas City - Direckshun - Tray Walker, CB, Texas Southern
234. Buffalo - CleveSteve - Tayo Fabuluje, OT, TCU
235. Houston - kccrow - Jordan Hicks, LB, Texas
236. Dallas (from SD) - ChiefsCountry - Imoan Claiborne, DB, Northwestern State
237. Philadelphia - DaKCManAP - Derrick Lott, DT, Chattanooga
238. Cincinnati - Tambaberry - Bryan Bennett, QB, Southeastern Louisiana
239. Pittsburgh - Discuss Thrower - Deshazor Everett, DB, Texas A&M
240. Detroit - Sfeihc - JJ Nelson, WR, UAB
241. Arizona - chiefscafan - Aundrey Walker, G, USC
242. Carolina - Dicky McElephant - Justin Coleman, CB, Tennessee
243. Dallas (from BAL) - ChiefsCountry - Bobby McCain, CB, Memphis
244. Indianapolis (from DAL) - BossChief - Troy Hill, CB, Oregon
245. New York Giants(from DEN) - Marco Polo - Matt Jones, RB, Florida
246. San Francisco (from IND) - Sfeihc - Shaq Riddick, DE, West Virginia
247. Green Bay - SNR - Cody Wichmann, G, Fresno State
248. Seattle - Nightfyre - Quayshawne Buckley, DT, Idaho
249. Atlanta (from NE) - BossChief - Kyle Christy, P, Florida
250. Denver (C) - Marco Polo - Louis Trinca-Pasat, DT, Iowa
251. Denver (C) - Marco Polo - Andrew Donnal, OT, Iowa
252. Denver (C) - Marco Polo - Titus Davis, WR, Western Michigan
253. New England (C) - kccrow - Alec May, DE, Georgetown
254. San Francisco (C) - Sfeihc - Ryan Russell, DE, Purdue
255. Indianapolis (C) - BossChief - Corey Crawford, DE, Clemson
256. Arizona (C) - chiefscafan - Trey DePriest, LB, Alabama

[O.city]

I kinda want them to take fisher just so we have 2 fishers

[chiefscafan]

The Cleveland Browns select Arik Armstead DE/DT from Oregon

He is a great run stopper and pass rusher beefing up the Browns D.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by O.city

Is your mom starting at tight end direk? You never answered

Originally Posted by O.city

A ****ing center in round 1? Blow out your an us with your own dick direkshun that's not good

Originally Posted by O.city

Sadly though, I can see Erving being the pick

Originally Posted by O.city

I kinda want them to take fisher just so we have 2 fishers

You're in great form today.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd have gone Collins, Peat and Fisher over Erving.

Fatty's not the problem, it's the fatty that was chosen that bothers me.

And yes, I have already resigned myself to the fact that this will be the pick IRL.

Ah, you would have taken a right tackle over Cam Erving.

Tell you what, answer my question I asked about Rodney Hudson. Knowing what you know now, would you have taken him at #18 overall?

[DaKCMan AP]

Chip Kelly wants to get younger on the line. That's why they cut Herremans and there's talk of Evan Mathis available for trade. Additionally, they'll likely let Jason Peters go after this season. Too much value to pass up a guy who can come in and start at OG immediately in 2015 and can bolster the line when older guys leave. DeMarco Murray, Ryan Matthews, Darren Sproles, and Sam Bradford will be happy with this pick.

The Philadelphia Eagles select La'el Collins, OL, LSU.

[TambaBerry]

The Bengals have a ton of needs and there are a lot of guys available that would be a good fit for them here, so if I was them I would try to trade down, but in this draft we cant so I am going to take one of the best players on my board.

The Cincinnati Bengals select Eric Kendricks LB UCLA

In my opinion he is the best 4-3 LB available in this draft and is likely to make the most immediate impact.

[Discuss Thrower]

The Steelers had defensive woes in 2014 and there are some intriguing talents on the board for Pittsburgh's first pick here on Thursday night. But the pressing need on defense was in the secondary- with Trae Waynes and Landon Collins off the board, the value just isn't there to take a defensive player in the middle of the '15 draft.

Offensively, Pittsburgh had some great moments in 2014 with Antonio Brown asserting his dominance as a pass catcher as well as the emergence of rookie out of Clemson in Martavis Bryant. The Steelers are set at running back and Big Ben was inked to a big extension, so it makes some sense to get the big man another big time receiving threat to afford Todd Haley flexibility in personnel groupings as well as to hedge the senior statesman on the offensive ends in Heath Miller.

With the 22nd pick in the 2015 Draft,
the Pittsburgh Steelers select, Maxx Williams, tight end, University of Minnesota.

Spoiler!

[The Franchise]

And now we get to see who Discuss would take for the Chiefs.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

And now we get to see who Discuss would take for the Chiefs.

From my vantage point, I'd take the best NT prospect remaining at #18 for Kansas City but that's without having the insight on what attributes a 3-4 nose needs.

[Sfeihc]

The Ghost of William Clay Ford runs to the podium with the card making Malcom Brown, DT, Texas the Detroit Lions first round pick in the 2015 CP Mock Draft.

[TambaBerry]

I was so torn for my Bengals pick could have gone a million different ways.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by TambaBerry

I was so torn for my Bengals pick could have gone a million different ways.

I thought about a pass rusher but just said **** it and went flashy for Pittsburgh. I can't see that being too much of a reach for the Steelers.

[CleveSteve]

Originally Posted by Sfeihc

The Ghost of William Clay Ford runs to the podium with the card making Malcom Brown, DT, Texas the Detroit Lions first round pick in the 2015 CP Mock Draft.

That's who i want the browns to take at 12. Glad he didn't go to Cincy or Pitt.

[chiefscafan]

The Arizona Cardinals select Melvin Gordon RB from Wisconsin


The Arizona Cardinals are shocked he is still available. Need a durable back who can be the number one featured back in a hopefully explosive offense with the returning QB Carson Palmer.

[chiefscafan]

So clevesteve are you saying you don't like the picks of Shane Ray and Armstead?


I actually thought bout brown when Shelton was drafted but Ray kept falling way too good of value. I like armsteads potential more than browns actually.