Jenkins to IR, Avant signed, offense should be better.

[Wallcrawler]

Im pretty happy about this. Jenkins offered nothing aside from a would-be big play that ended with him surrendering a sure TD by running out of bounds of his own volition.


Avant knows the offense, and moreover, is pretty damned sure handed. Id really like to see what the details of his signing are, but I have to believe that this just made the offense better. Hell, he cant be any worse than AJ Jenkins at worst.

It would be great to have another receiver out on the field that could compliment Bowe, and perhaps even take some of the attention off of him. He should fit right into this offense and hopefully be able to contribute against the Broncos.

If anything it will be refreshing to see a WR that actually catches passes that Alex puts right on him.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

There have been several drives killed on offense by dumbasses not catching footballs that should have been caught. This includes Bowe, Kelce, and the rest of the shit squad.

Having a solid, possession receiver that can work out of the slot and bring you high percentage completetions on a 3rd and 6-7 will be a Godsend for Smith and the passing game.

Nobody is saying this dude is gonna light people up and blow people's doors off. He's going to be the guy who extends a couple drives a game with huge catches for first downs that former Practice Squad POS Frankie Hammond, Future Practice Squad POS Junior Hemingway, and Future Ex-Chief AJ Jenkins cant seem to handle the complexities of.

The ability to play a contested pass and come down with it is going to be huge. Look no further than Smith's 3 INT day against the Titans, throwing to a guy that didn't have that particular talent, Donnie Avery. Avery has NO fight in him. Hes a dude that can run by you and you throw it so far out front he can either run under and catch, or its incomplete. That's Donnie Avery.

With guys like Bowe and Kelce garnering much of the attention, Avant should be able to be a bigtime security blanket for Alex Smith working out of the slot on those slant and drag routes we run so much.

And once again, Avant is capable of being that safety blanket you described IF his decline was overblown by the Panthers, and he's precise on his route and good enough to find the space where Alex is counting on him to be WITHOUT attracting defenders or letting them drape over him like glue.

Avant has to do all of those things well before Alex even thinks about throwing him the ball in those situations. Alex isn't going to think, "OH BOY! JASON AVANT HAS A REPUTATION FOR BEING A RELIABLE CATCHER! I'M GONNA THROW TO HIM! DERP! TOO BAD HE CAME HERE THIS LATE! I WAS GETTING KILLED MOST OF THE SEASON WHEN I COULDN'T THROW TO HEMINGWAY OR HAMMOND BECAUSE THEY'D PROBABLY JUST DROP THE PASS ANYWAY!"

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by SNR

And once again, Avant is capable of being that safety blanket you described IF his decline was overblown by the Panthers, and he's precise on his route and good enough to find the space where Alex is counting on him to be WITHOUT attracting defenders or letting them drape over him like glue.

Avant has to do all of those things well before Alex even thinks about throwing him the ball in those situations. Alex isn't going to think, "OH BOY! JASON AVANT HAS A REPUTATION FOR BEING A RELIABLE CATCHER! I'M GONNA THROW TO HIM! DERP! TOO BAD HE CAME HERE THIS LATE! I WAS GETTING KILLED MOST OF THE SEASON WHEN I COULDN'T THROW TO HEMINGWAY OR HAMMOND BECAUSE THEY'D PROBABLY JUST DROP THE PASS ANYWAY!"

You really are reeruned aren't you?

Shit. Sorry, I didn't realize it was real.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

#SNreerun

YOU'RE the ****ing reerun who thinks better than adequate reliability in catching the football is more important than just following the ****ing play and doing the all the things that make you a prime target.

Name a great WR who had spotty route-running skills or insufficient athletic ability, but the best damn hands in the universe! Uhh... I'm not coming up with very much here. Uhh... Johnnie Morton? Maybe?

Now name a great WR who had superior route-running skills and/or great athletic skill, but had not the greatest set of hands among his peers.

I'll give you a ****ing name.

Jerry ****ing Rice.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by SNR

Avant has to do all of those things well before Alex even thinks about throwing him the ball in those situations. Alex isn't going to think, "OH BOY! JASON AVANT HAS A REPUTATION FOR BEING A RELIABLE CATCHER! I'M GONNA THROW TO HIM! DERP! TOO BAD HE CAME HERE THIS LATE! I WAS GETTING KILLED MOST OF THE SEASON WHEN I COULDN'T THROW TO HEMINGWAY OR HAMMOND BECAUSE THEY'D PROBABLY JUST DROP THE PASS ANYWAY!"

So as a QB, when you KNOW a guy can make plays on the ball, you wouldn't feel more comfortable giving him a shot to make the play over say, some jackass who cant catch a wide open pass?

And as a side note, how the **** would you know what Smith is going to think anyway?

Obviously he's going to be in practice and see what the guy can do. But when you have a veteran receiver, that is comfortable with the offense and knows his shit, AND has the ability to make all the catches, I would think there would be something very wrong if you didn't give the guy more consideration than you would a Hemingway or Hammond.

Next off, if Smith is getting killed, its because he has defenders in his face before ANY play has a chance to develop because this line's pass blocking is ass.

Alex doesn't keep his eyes downfield under pressure, many QB's don't if they want to stay alive. He usually just tucks and runs, or gets obliterated if he cant get away. But yeah, I would think a dude that can catch the ball and be reliable doing it would be a hot read if he's got that kind of pressure from the outset.

Alex has wheels and knows he can make a play with his legs if he can evade the rush. When you have that as an option, chunking it up to a dude that probably isn't going to make the catch doesn't really seem as appealing, and, its risky. Smith is a careful dude. Tipped pass pick off, normal interception, dropped pass, any number of bad things can happen so if there isn't trust there, he's likely more inclined to just take off and run as we've seen him do quite often.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by SNR

Now name a great WR who had superior route-running skills and/or great athletic skill, but had not the greatest set of hands among his peers.

I'll give you a ****ing name.

Jerry ****ing Rice.

Wait.

Did you just say Jerry Rice didn't have great hands?

Now I KNOW you're reeruned.

Im tapping out on that one bro. You're clearly reeruned, drunk, or otherwise unable to communicate intelligent thought.

Theres really nothing more to say.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

So as a QB, when you KNOW a guy can make plays on the ball, you wouldn't feel more comfortable giving him a shot to make the play over say, some jackass who cant catch a wide open pass?

And as a side note, how the **** would you know what Smith is going to think anyway?

Obviously he's going to be in practice and see what the guy can do. But when you have a veteran receiver, that is comfortable with the offense and knows his shit, AND has the ability to make all the catches, I would think there would be something very wrong if you didn't give the guy more consideration than you would a Hemingway or Hammond.

Next off, if Smith is getting killed, its because he has defenders in his face before ANY play has a chance to develop because this line's pass blocking is ass.

Alex doesn't keep his eyes downfield under pressure, many QB's don't if they want to stay alive. He usually just tucks and runs, or gets obliterated if he cant get away. But yeah, I would think a dude that can catch the ball and be reliable doing it would be a hot read if he's got that kind of pressure from the outset.

Alex has wheels and knows he can make a play with his legs if he can evade the rush. When you have that as an option, chunking it up to a dude that probably isn't going to make the catch doesn't really seem as appealing, and, its risky. Smith is a careful dude. Tipped pass pick off, normal interception, dropped pass, any number of bad things can happen so if there isn't trust there, he's likely more inclined to just take off and run as we've seen him do quite often.

You've seen this in play already...when KC gets backed up inside the ten. Smith doesn't even sniff the other WR's....it's not worth the risk. That's where having a another vet possession WR is utilized...

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by I have to quote Ballcrawler like this because he thinks he's special and won't respond to quoted posts the normal ****ing way

And Third, if you cant ****ing catch, why are you a receiver. Get open, drop the ball. Real ****ing productive. Christ, do I need to draw this in crayon?

Yeah, if you drop EVERY ****ing pass thrown your way, then WR is a bad position for you. Davone Bess had a game like that against the Chiefs last year, and it arguably cost his team the game. His abilities to work out of the slot and get open were rendered useless because he couldn't complete a single target out of the 5 he had on Cleveland's final two drives.

But he's an extreme outlier. The majority of WRs in the NFL haul in 85-95% of catchable targets. You want it to be above 90, but if you're as talented as Julio Jones, AJ Green, and Demaryius Thomas, you and your team can afford you to be in the 85-90 range. And guess what. That's exactly where those guys are.

Hemingway and the Abortions aren't bad WRs because their catch percentage isn't above 90 or 95. Well, in the case of Hammond and Jenkins, they might be at above 95, but the sample size is so freakin low that it doesn't really tell you any meaningful information, does it? You'd have to look at some other reasons why they aren't getting very many targets on offense.

What could that be? Do you have any ideas?

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by SNR

You'd have to look at some other reasons why they aren't getting very many targets on offense.

What could that be? Do you have any ideas?

Yes..they suck at routes and understanding Reid's complex system. When they do get open...they drop passes..

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

YOU'RE the ****ing reerun who thinks better than adequate reliability in catching the football is more important than just following the ****ing play and doing the all the things that make you a prime target.

Name a great WR who had spotty route-running skills or insufficient athletic ability, but the best damn hands in the universe! Uhh... I'm not coming up with very much here. Uhh... Johnnie Morton? Maybe?

Now name a great WR who had superior route-running skills and/or great athletic skill, but had not the greatest set of hands among his peers.

I'll give you a ****ing name.

Jerry ****ing Rice.

I think what everyone saying is pass catching isn't just about catching balls that hit your hands. Being a good pass catcher means adjusting to the ball and holding onto the ball in traffic. It's about making circus catches to poorly thrown balls.

That goes beyond what you're talking about with receivers, which has been largely about route running, separation, and physical ability. There are plenty of receivers who do that but have terrible instincts reacting to the ball.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Wait.

Did you just say Jerry Rice didn't have great hands?

Now I KNOW you're reeruned.

Im tapping out on that one bro. You're clearly reeruned, drunk, or otherwise unable to communicate intelligent thought.

Theres really nothing more to say.

Rice had great hands some years. Like when he had built up chemistry with Montana and eventually Young.

At the beginning of his career, however? He dropped shit all the time. He had another bad era of drops for like 3-4 seasons as San Fran was transitioning away from Montana and into the Young years. And he had a bad couple of drop years his final 1-2 seasons in San Francisco as well.

We've got enough 49er fans on this board crawling around. They'll tell you all about it.

Yes, the player who set all those career receiving league records that will remain unbroken for a long time had bad bouts with drops throughout his career. Not just when he was a rookie, either.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

You've seen this in play already...when KC gets backed up inside the ten. Smith doesn't even sniff the other WR's....it's not worth the risk. That's where having a another vet possession WR is utilized...

Yeah, Im hoping he gets in there soon and can be utilized against the Broncos. It takes time for any WR/QB to build chemistry, so the sooner this dude gets in there taking reps the better.

We were putting up huge drives when the offense was clicking with only one serviceable wideout. Love to see what happens when we throw in another.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Yes..they suck at routes and understanding Reid's complex system. When they do get open...they drop passes..

Nice edit at the end there.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by SNR

Rice had great hands some years. Like when he had built up chemistry with Montana and eventually Young.

At the beginning of his career, however? He dropped shit all the time. He had another bad era of drops for like 3-4 seasons as San Fran was transitioning away from Montana and into the Young years. And he had a bad couple of drop years his final 1-2 seasons in San Francisco as well.

We've got enough 49er fans on this board crawling around. They'll tell you all about it.

Yes, the player who set all those career receiving league records that will remain unbroken for a long time had bad bouts with drops throughout his career. Not just when he was a rookie, either.

Playing the Jerry Rice sucked card is a bad argument. You are missing some very important aspects of being an NFL WR.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Playing the Jerry Rice sucked card is a bad argument.

That's not what he's saying.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think what everyone saying is pass catching isn't just about catching balls that hit your hands. Being a good pass catcher means adjusting to the ball and holding onto the ball in traffic. It's about making circus catches to poorly thrown balls.

And there are plenty of athletes who can do that.

Most of them aren't legit NFL WRs. Why?