Gruden's QB Camp

[TambaBerry]

Originally Posted by Dante84

I was drunk, it was late.

My thought process is that he likes to play "hero ball," which is great if you are also being smart and not forcing shit in bad situations. Surely he's been coached situational football, and surely he's been coached on why he shouldn't make stupid lobs off of his back foot.

And maybe it's just because he's a cocky little SOB. That's not to say Reid wouldn't humble him and make him reign it in, like he's been able to do with Kelce, but it's definitely something Dorsey and Reid should be on top of in their evals.

Why would you want to humble that? Does it not work when Rodger's or Big Ben does it? I love the cockiness and the fact that he knows he can make every throw. He only needs to make better decisions on occasions and he knows that.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by TambaBerry

Why would you want to humble that? Does it not work when Rodger's or Big Ben does it? I love the cockiness and the fact that he knows he can make every throw. He only needs to make better decisions on occasions and he knows that.

How do you know he knows that? Id want to humble his cockiness because throwing into triple coverage and getting picked doesn't do anyone any good at the end of a game. He needs to know when to throw to the flat, get the first down and put the team in a better position to win. (Talking about the game he and gruden discuss.)

Ben and Rodgers make smart decisions when it counts. Rodgers specifically. They've earned the right to let their nuts hang.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Dante84

How do you know he knows that? Id want to humble his cockiness because throwing into triple coverage and getting picked doesn't do anyone any good at the end of a game. He needs to know when to throw to the flat, get the first down and put the team in a better position to win. (Talking about the game he and gruden discuss.)

Ben and Rodgers make smart decisions when it counts. Rodgers specifically. They've earned the right to let their nuts hang.

Great one generally start out cocky

You just don't know what is going to happen when they have to reign it in.

Will they be able to play under control but still be "cocky"?

Some can, many can't

That's why Mahomes isn't going top-10, at least we don't think he is.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Dante84

How do you know he knows that? Id want to humble his cockiness because throwing into triple coverage and getting picked doesn't do anyone any good at the end of a game. He needs to know when to throw to the flat, get the first down and put the team in a better position to win. (Talking about the game he and gruden discuss.)

Ben and Rodgers make smart decisions when it counts. Rodgers specifically. They've earned the right to let their nuts hang.

Brady threw a pass late in the Super Bowl into double coverage. Should have been picked. Instead one of the all time great Super Bowl catches. Big play in their win.

Alex would have checked it down.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Brady threw a pass late in the Super Bowl into double coverage. Should have been picked. Instead one of the all time great Super Bowl catches. Big play in their win.

Alex would have checked it down.

That was Tom Brady, in the Super Bowl. Tom is a pocket passer with beautiful mechanics. He had previously been to 5 Super Bowls.

Mahomes led a mediocre Texas Tech team.

I get what you're saying, but... vastly different circumstances.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Dante84

That was Tom Brady, in the Super Bowl. Tom is a pocket passer with beautiful mechanics. He had previously been to 5 Super Bowls.

Mahomes led a mediocre Texas Tech team.

I get what you're saying, but... vastly different circumstances.

Agreed on all accounts. Points is, Brady still had the balls to throw the Super Bowl up for grabs, and for that he came out with a win.

I'm not even saying Mahomes is Brady. But damn, I would love a guy who had the stones to trust his arm.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Agreed on all accounts. Points is, Brady still had the balls to throw the Super Bowl up for grabs, and for that he came out with a win.

I'm not even saying Mahomes is Brady. But damn, I would love a guy who had the stones to trust his arm.

Agree with you.

I want a ballsy QB too. But I want one who is smart, and willing to listen/grow from coaches and other vets.

For me, Matt Stafford is the mold I would like to replicate for this team.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Watson is the most like-able, plain and simple.

Trubisky is the dumbest (like the brother Jason from True Blood, or Cleetus from the Simpsons.)
Mahomes is the cockiest (Ba$eball dad, probably grew up getting jerked off by his friends. Big fish, small pond. Scares me that he won't listen to coaching.)
Kizer is socially awkward (verbal ticks - "love it love it" - and seems kind of immature/insecure).

Originally Posted by Dante84

I was drunk, it was late.

My thought process is that he likes to play "hero ball," which is great if you are also being smart and not forcing shit in bad situations. Surely he's been coached situational football, and surely he's been coached on why he shouldn't make stupid lobs off of his back foot.

And maybe it's just because he's a cocky little SOB. That's not to say Reid wouldn't humble him and make him reign it in, like he's been able to do with Kelce, but it's definitely something Dorsey and Reid should be on top of in their evals.

Originally Posted by Dante84

How do you know he knows that? Id want to humble his cockiness because throwing into triple coverage and getting picked doesn't do anyone any good at the end of a game. He needs to know when to throw to the flat, get the first down and put the team in a better position to win. (Talking about the game he and gruden discuss.)

Ben and Rodgers make smart decisions when it counts. Rodgers specifically. They've earned the right to let their nuts hang.

Originally Posted by Dante84

Agree with you.

I want a ballsy QB too. But I want one who is smart, and willing to listen/grow from coaches and other vets.

For me, Matt Stafford is the mold I would like to replicate for this team.

I stand by the point that I liked Watson's personality the most. I also stand by the fact that Mahomes came off the cockiest (although Kizer seemed that way too, but weirder about it...).

I think the same points I made about PM2 needing to learn from Reid are true as well. Really hope he pans out, and won't give a goddamned flying **** if he's cocky when he's dropping L's on every other team.