Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93

[Direckshun]

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So you actually believe that the Chiefs will draft Geno Smith #1 overall, and spend their first and second round picks on quarterbacks?

I am not sure what to believe right now. Up to today, I did not believe that.

As of today, I am unsure.

That may change as the lay of the land does. I hope that doesn't bother your delicate sensibilities.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Actually, that's not true. I watched several games on YouTube a few weeks back and watched the Combines.

The guy is not worthy of the number one overall pick, no matter what you, or SNR or Direckshun believes today or KC Tattoo, etc.

NOT #1 overall. Period.

The guy showed that he is every bit the athletic prospect that Kaepernick, Luck and Cam were...but somehow "he didn't impress at the combine"...that was with him also going up on stage and selling everyone there on him.

Kurt Warner said he should go first overall. Daniel Jerimiah (a guy that used to be a scout for Reid) said he is the only legit qb prospect this year.

But Dane saw something there that they didn't.



Get some sleep.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

This thread is ****ing gold.
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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

But Dane saw something there that they didn't.

Apparently, neither did the Chiefs.

Here's another:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/cl...ake-clubs-wary

5. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia. He's considered the best quarterback in a draft where there aren't elite quarterbacks, and while he put up big numbers last season he was far more successful the first half than he was the second. That could be a problem. So could value. No question, he will be drafted in the first round. But who makes the move and how soon? "What I feel good about," said one quarterbacks coach, "is that he's strong, smart and really determined. It looks like this means a lot to him, and I like that. In fact, I like it so much I went back to look at one more tape of him. I'd been concerned that he stands in the pocket and doesn't have a feel for when to move and cut his losses. So I wanted to see if I was wrong. Yet there were three times he got stuck in the pocket in that game. He's a first-round risk because if he doesn't work out he gets you fired. Which means there are two things that bother me: His feel within the pocket and my job security."

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie

This thread is ****ing gold.
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Yeah, it's "gold".

You've never had a single, creative thought of your own since you joined this forum and were banned multiple times.

You just keep returning to hug someone elses nuts.

Good luck with that.

[Direckshun]

Who do you like at #1 overall, Dane?

Not interested in debating you on it or anything, just curious what player or players entice you.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

That may change as the lay of the land does. I hope that doesn't bother your delicate sensibilities.

Nah, I'll just continue to flip you shit about it, just like I do every year.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So you actually believe that the Chiefs will draft Geno Smith #1 overall, and spend their first and second round picks on quarterbacks?



You people are ****ing delusional

Andy Reid already had McNabb and went out and drafted Kolb and then signed Vick....then traded McNabb and Kolb and gave Vick 100 million and still drafted Foles.

No way he goes into the season without another strong contender to start.

If we draft Geno at 1, we would still have less invested than the Redskins did with RG3 and Cousins.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by SNR

Dane, if Geno Smith doesn't go in the first round, I'll write out a check for $1000 in the charity of your choice. You don't have to do anything except bookmark this post if you like.

And to further prove how RIDICULOUS I think it is that you would say "no one" has him worth a first round pick, I'll let you in on a little secret: giving away $1000 is not exactly a smart thing for me to do currently. I'm getting by just fine, but I don't just have $1000 lying around to throw away.

Hell, you may as well make it $100,000. Because I'm right, and I'm not going to wind up paying a single ****ing dime when draft night is over.

Dane, if this improbably comes to pass (the odds are next to zero) please select Open World, the organization I started with a friend in high school. Now an official KU student organization, we're attempting to build a school with running water for children in Nepal.

http://www.openworldcause.com/

/Shameless Self Promotion Ovah

[Imon Yourside]

Geno, Geno, Geno!

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Exactly.

Schefter, Glazer, King and Judge are in touch with bonafide NFL scouts and GM's everyday. Either they've been silent on Geno Smith or they've point out doubts that true NFL people have about him.

Guys like Matt Miller and Walter and every other internet based guy isn't connected: It's pure conjecture. It's a crossword puzzle that they try to solve to look "smart" and attract website traffic.

This isn't personal. I couldn't care less if the guy goes in the first round or the 7th round. I'm just tired of the praise that showered upon him in this forum when it's the only place that does so.

Just curious. Do you remember how you felt about Cam Newton at this point in the draft process in 2011?

Putting Geno and Cam comparisons aside, I was lukewarm on Cam. And it was widely reported by people connected to GMs as well as draft gurus with blogs and shows on ESPN that Cam Newton was a HUGE risk for any GM to take on. He didn't start getting talked about as a first round potential QB by most guys until WEEKS after he won the national championship. And as soon as he broke that plain, everybody said all the could say to discredit him as the #1 overall pick.

Then he had his pro day, the Panthers were reported to be sold on him, and the rest is history. It wasn't until then that people said "Oh yeah, absolutely, take Cam at #1. No question!"

Well, Geno Smith has had his share of negative publicity, but I don't know of a single guy besides Mel Kiper who went out and said, "Don't draft any of these QBs in the first round, whatever you do. That includes Geno Smith."

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Who do you like at #1 overall, Dane?

Not interested in debating you on it or anything, just curious what player or players entice you.

Quite honestly, I don't like anyone at #1 overall.

This is an awful draft in which to be choosing in the top 3 because you're likely to get the same amount of overall talent at #20 at you are at #1. That's what makes this draft so shitty.

My hope is that they can trade down several times, for whatever they can get, and accumulate some talent. Guys like Ertz, Eifert, Austin, Patterson, Milliner and even Mingo make sense later in the draft.

I'd hate to be Dorsey and Reid because as many have pointed out, trading down won't be easy. Someone is going to have to fall in love with a player and make a move. Otherwise, they'll be content to sit and wait.

[HoneyBadger]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Apparently, neither did the Chiefs.

Here's another:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/cl...ake-clubs-wary

5. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia. He's considered the best quarterback in a draft where there aren't elite quarterbacks, and while he put up big numbers last season he was far more successful the first half than he was the second. That could be a problem. So could value. No question, he will be drafted in the first round. But who makes the move and how soon? "What I feel good about," said one quarterbacks coach, "is that he's strong, smart and really determined. It looks like this means a lot to him, and I like that. In fact, I like it so much I went back to look at one more tape of him. I'd been concerned that he stands in the pocket and doesn't have a feel for when to move and cut his losses. So I wanted to see if I was wrong. Yet there were three times he got stuck in the pocket in that game.He's a first-round risk because if he doesn't work out he gets you fired. Which means there are two things that bother me: His feel within the pocket and my job security."

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There is literally NO ONE saying that Geno Smith should be a first rounder, let alone #1 overall.

You guys are living in a ****ing fantasy land.

I thought he wasn't first round worthy by anyone?

[Cmd'r&Chief]

We will draft Geno, and Kansas City will be Saved

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Quite honestly, I don't like anyone at #1 overall.

This is an awful draft in which to be choosing in the top 3 because you're likely to get the same amount of overall talent at #20 at you are at #1. That's what makes this draft so shitty.

My hope is that they can trade down several times, for whatever they can get, and accumulate some talent. Guys like Ertz, Eifert, Austin, Patterson, Milliner and even Mingo make sense later in the draft.

I'd hate to be Dorsey and Reid because as many have pointed out, trading down won't be easy. Someone is going to have to fall in love with a player and make a move. Otherwise, they'll be content to sit and wait.

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but you'd be dropping your Hammer of Thor down on any ChiefsPlanet poster that suggests that anybody should be drafted #1 overall.