Chiefs Justin Houston’s last year in KC? - Page 9

kcbubb · 09-21-2018, 08:41 AM

I’m not an expert on these contracts, but could it be Houston’s last year here? His production has been awful and with two games this year with big leads and lots of down the field pass attempts by opposing QBs, Houston has no sacks. I think he has less sacks in the last 50 or so games than he did in the year before his contract, the big year with 22 sacks. His cap hit will decline dramatically next year. He might be gone. As a general rule, I think the chiefs should limit these large 2nd contracts. The motivation just isn’t there. The raiders were right to trade Khalil Mack. Here’s the info on Houston’s contract. Let’s hope Houston turns it around. We need him for a playoff run but if he doesn’t increase production, I think he’s gone.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...-houston-7789/

CoMoChief · 09-21-2018, 01:13 PM

Drafting Speaks was just ****ing stupid. Dorian O'Daniel too.

The 2018 draft still pisses me off to this day.

This team has a giant need at CB and S...but lets a draft a fat slow out of position project and a ST warrior with 2 of the first 3 picks in a draft w/ no 1st rd pick available to the Chiefs at the time. IMO you have to hit on an immediate starter considering the holes you have on D.

Speaks looked like he belonged on a HS field vs PIT.

saphojunkie · 09-21-2018, 01:15 PM

Let’s be more specific here.

In 2019, Houston is $21.1M to kept and $7.1M to cut.

But Dee ford and Allen Bailey are off the books at a total of over $17M.

Additionally, Maclin, Smith, DJ, and Tamba all count as dead money this year but not next.

Extending a 30 year old Houston two years, converting a large portion of his 2019 and 2020 salary to signing bonus gives him more money up front and guaranteed, but reduces his overall cap hit every year to a much more manageable amount.

This is why the best way to save money on Houston is paying him more. It’s just math.

RunKC · 09-21-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Drafting Speaks was just ****ing stupid. Dorian O'Daniel too.

The 2018 draft still pisses me off to this day.

This team has a giant need at CB and S...but lets a draft a fat slow out of position project and a ST warrior with 2 of the first 3 picks in a draft w/ no 1st rd pick available to the Chiefs at the time. IMO you have to hit on an immediate starter considering the holes you have on D.

Speaks looked like he belonged on a HS field vs PIT.

Who were we supposed to draft?

This entire board (me included) wanted Isaiah Oliver and he hasn’t even been active for a game yet.

He also got as his asshole ripped to shreds multiple times by Gehrig ****ing Deiter.

OKchiefs · 09-21-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Okchiefs would rather rely on his eye test, not actually looking at contracts, and assume everyone who says “restructure” means “pay cut,” even though “restructure” is different and is wildly more likely.

Umm, I made a post in this very thread describing the difference between restructure and renegotiate. I'm not in favor of restructuring, as it just pushes the money back to future years. Either renegotiate a lower contract or terminate the contract.

htismaqe · 09-21-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Let’s be more specific here.

In 2019, Houston is $21.1M to kept and $7.1M to cut.

But Dee ford and Allen Bailey are off the books at a total of over $17M.

Additionally, Maclin, Smith, DJ, and Tamba all count as dead money this year but not next.

Extending a 30 year old Houston two years, converting a large portion of his 2019 and 2020 salary to signing bonus gives him more money up front and guaranteed, but reduces his overall cap hit every year to a much more manageable amount.

This is why the best way to save money on Houston is paying him more. It’s just math.

And if he won't take a deal like that? He could get a much better contract on the open market, based on his name alone.

It's time to cut bait.

OKchiefs · 09-21-2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Man, do some research before your hot takes.

I have done plenty of research. I don't have to read PFF advanced stats to have an informed opinion. I'm not sure why you have such a hard on for me. Just read Mellinger's article in the Star from today. Ford and Jones have both been more productive rushing the passer so far this season.

**The Franchise** · 09-21-2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Who were we supposed to draft?

This entire board (me included) wanted Isaiah Oliver and he hasn’t even been active for a game yet.

He also got as his asshole ripped to shreds multiple times by Gehrig ****ing Deiter.

Bates would look good in this defense about right now.

htismaqe · 09-21-2018, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

Bates would look good in this defense about right now.

Norman Bates?

Kathy Bates?

Heck, GRANVILLE Bates would look good in this defense!

Mecca · 09-21-2018, 01:37 PM

You'll also get the Harold Landry and Josh Jackson talk because they went right before Speaks did.

DRM08 · 09-21-2018, 01:39 PM

So what kind of pay cut? 50%?

htismaqe · 09-21-2018, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You'll also get the Harold Landry and Josh Jackson talk because they went right before Speaks did.

Josh Jackson would look really good in red and gold right now as much zone as we are playing.

Mecca · 09-21-2018, 01:45 PM

I questioned Jackson when I thought this was a mostly man team, now he'd be fine here.

htismaqe · 09-21-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I questioned Jackson when I thought this was a mostly man team, now he'd be fine here.

Same here - he's a prototypical zone corner. Of course, if we had better DB's, would we be playing so much zone?

JakeF · 09-21-2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

They will undoubtedly restructure. This offseason is the perfect time to do it. It's a win for both the Chiefs and Houston. Houston would rather get paid less for a protected contract.

No.

A restructure means that we tie Houston up even longer with his salary cap hit. He can take a pay cut since he isn't worth even close to what he is getting paid but no restructure.

saphojunkie · 09-21-2018, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

No.

A restructure means that we tie Houston up even longer with his salary cap hit. He can take a pay cut since he isn't worth even close to what he is getting paid but no restructure.

Why do people have such a hard time understanding that a restructure LOWERS the cap hit.

09-21-2018, 08:41 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6116719	Justin Houston’s last year in KC? I’m not an expert on these contracts, but could it be Houston’s last year here? His production has been awful and with two games this year with big leads and lots of down the field pass attempts by opposing QBs, Houston has no sacks. I think he has less sacks in the last 50 or so games than he did in the year before his contract, the big year with 22 sacks. His cap hit will decline dramatically next year. He might be gone. As a general rule, I think the chiefs should limit these large 2nd contracts. The motivation just isn’t there. The raiders were right to trade Khalil Mack. Here’s the info on Houston’s contract. Let’s hope Houston turns it around. We need him for a playoff run but if he doesn’t increase production, I think he’s gone. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...-houston-7789/
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09-21-2018, 01:15 PM	#122
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4776250	Let’s be more specific here. In 2019, Houston is $21.1M to kept and $7.1M to cut. But Dee ford and Allen Bailey are off the books at a total of over $17M. Additionally, Maclin, Smith, DJ, and Tamba all count as dead money this year but not next. Extending a 30 year old Houston two years, converting a large portion of his 2019 and 2020 salary to signing bonus gives him more money up front and guaranteed, but reduces his overall cap hit every year to a much more manageable amount. This is why the best way to save money on Houston is paying him more. It’s just math.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2647050	I questioned Jackson when I thought this was a mostly man team, now he'd be fine here.
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