News Minnesota man who killed teens in break-in charged with murder - Page 9

EagleRob · 02-07-2013, 05:25 AM

Two of the three sociopaths involved are dead. How bout the third?

Gravedigger · 02-07-2013, 05:41 AM

The funny thing is all of you who are standing up for him are taking him at his word, seeing as he's the only one left alive that could tell the story. If I'm a police officer, I'm thinking he killed these kids and then made up the bullshit story to cover it instead of trying to dispose of the bodies. Any man who is willing to say ,"I wanted him dead." is willing to do anything he can to kill him. Maybe this kid ****ed with his property in the past so he had a beef, but are you honestly believing him that the kid laughed as he stepped up to her and then bent down to execute her? You really think a person who has just been shot would laugh before the final bullet goes in? Bet money that the girl was begging for her life, if his story up until that point was true, and he put her out of her misery instead of trying to get her help. Sounds like a crazy old cooner who tried to fasten together a story that has more holes in it than Prometheus. The only way that kid laughed as she lied there dying on his basement floor is if she was high on some crazy ass shit and I've never seen a drug's effects that a teenager can get ahold of that would take the fear of death out of them.

**BigMeatballDave** · 02-07-2013, 05:43 AM

I think there is more to this.

kcxiv · 02-07-2013, 06:37 AM

wow, Some of you mother****ers posting in here are just as batshit insane as the guy shooting people just cause you want them dead. lol At least it sounds like it.

Its like being in a ****ing fight and someone hits you for no reason and you get up and kick his ass but you just keep going and going til he's dead. There is no difference, you as a human should know when enough is enough.

jspchief · 02-07-2013, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aries Walker

No, you should not. Threaten, attack, defeat, repel, neutralize, sure - but once that intruder is no longer a threat (say, because they're lying, bleeding on the floor from multiple gunshot wounds), you cannot gangland-style bullet-through-the-cranium execute anyone.

Agree to disagree then.

WhiteWhale · 02-07-2013, 08:53 AM

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Agree to disagree then.

Then you disagree with the law.

Killing a defenseless person is murder. Always.

The whole 'defenseless' throws a wrench in the 'self defense' argument.

Garcia Bronco · 02-07-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Then you disagree with the law.

Killing a defenseless person is murder. Always.

The whole 'defenseless' throws a wrench in the 'self defense' argument.

that's why it's best to empty the gun and not stop shooting.

**SAUTO** · 02-07-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

that's why it's best to empty the gun and not stop shooting.

not entirely true.

my wife's real father killed a guy in his house about 11 years ago.

the guy actually shot him at the same time but FIL didnt stop until the gun was empty. they tried like hell to charge him with something, and it took him over a year to get his gun back

InChiefsHeaven · 02-07-2013, 07:21 AM

You don't have the right to EXECUTE someone. If you kill them in the process of defending yourself or your property, I have no problem with that. But damn, this is sick psycho serial killer shit. I think the old man's cheese has slipped off the cracker for sure, but I can't understand how anyone can justify the execution.

I get that the kids should not have been doing what they were doing, but this is beyond self defense. Hell, it's beyond revenge. This is just sick twisted shit.

Gary · 02-07-2013, 08:07 AM

In Florida, there is a rule called the Castle Doctrine that says there is implied intent to inflict harm when someone breaks into your home. However, the use of deadly force is only justified if the homeowner's life was in danger of imminent great bodily harm or death. Once those teenagers hit the ground the imminent danger of great bodily harm or death ended.

kcfanXIII · 02-07-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary

In Florida, there is a rule called the Castle Doctrine that says there is implied intent to inflict harm when someone breaks into your home. However, the use of deadly force is only justified if the homeowner's life was in danger of imminent great bodily harm or death. Once those teenagers hit the ground the imminent danger of great bodily harm or death ended.

castle doctrine varies from state to state. in missouri, you are not required to prove shit other than they were unlawfully in your home, there is no need to prove they are a threat, and there is no flight clause which means you are not required to flee if possible before deadly force is used. hell, in MO, castle doctrine extends to vehicles and places of employment as well.

**Saul Good** · 02-07-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

castle doctrine varies from state to state. in missouri, you are not required to prove shit other than they were unlawfully in your home, there is no need to prove they are a threat, and there is no flight clause which means you are not required to flee if possible before deadly force is used. hell, in MO, castle doctrine extends to vehicles and places of employment as well.

Still doesn't allow you to do what this guy did.

kcfanXIII · 02-07-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Still doesn't allow you to do what this guy did.

not saying it did. just explaining to someone that lots of states have varied versions of castle doctrine.

**notorious** · 02-07-2013, 08:23 AM

If they can prove he shot them execution-style, he is done.

This is similar to a story I heard in CCL class from a Wichita Detective. A store owner had been robbed many times, and he finally armed himself. The next time a robbery was attempted, he shot the perp.

He was still in the right until he walked around his counter and fired a shot into the scumbag's head. The store owner is now serving time for murder.

The kicker: His own store video showed the whole thing.

Radar Chief · 02-07-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

If they can prove he shot them execution-style, he is done.

I think he pretty much came right out and said he did, and seemed proud of it.

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Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $7213101	The funny thing is all of you who are standing up for him are taking him at his word, seeing as he's the only one left alive that could tell the story. If I'm a police officer, I'm thinking he killed these kids and then made up the bullshit story to cover it instead of trying to dispose of the bodies. Any man who is willing to say ,"I wanted him dead." is willing to do anything he can to kill him. Maybe this kid ****ed with his property in the past so he had a beef, but are you honestly believing him that the kid laughed as he stepped up to her and then bent down to execute her? You really think a person who has just been shot would laugh before the final bullet goes in? Bet money that the girl was begging for her life, if his story up until that point was true, and he put her out of her misery instead of trying to get her help. Sounds like a crazy old cooner who tried to fasten together a story that has more holes in it than Prometheus. The only way that kid laughed as she lied there dying on his basement floor is if she was high on some crazy ass shit and I've never seen a drug's effects that a teenager can get ahold of that would take the fear of death out of them.
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