Chiefs Media starting to take "A Hard Look" at Andy Reid - Page 12

Chief Roundup · 12-09-2014, 07:59 PM

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The latest loss for the Kansas City Chiefs may be the hardest to reconcile. When a team struggles like they did in Arizona the entire organization needs to be ready to find the issues and correct them. Nothing is more corrosive to a team’s confidence than not knowing why its losing. It is the responsibility of both the players and staff.
Today, Andy Reid is in looking glass. I’ll discuss the players later this week in a special 2-part Chiefs’ Truths.

Evaluate Team including Andy Reid
John Dorsey was brought to Kansas City after Andy Reid was hired as Head Coach, supposedly on the recommendation of Reid. Now, he will be in the possibly difficult position of evaluating Reid’s performance leading the team.

There are 2 very disturbing trends.

The 2013 Kansas City Chiefs started 9-0 there first season on Reid’s leadership. Then came the bye week. After the bye, the Chiefs lost 6 of their next 8 games, bouncing from the playoffs in the first round (again). They were swept by Denver and San Diego and lost twice in three weeks to Indianapolis. For a squad that was young and somewhat cobbled together after the final roster cuts, it was a solid first season.

It’s a very big red flag to see the last 3 contests all come out as losses. It hints at 2014 repeating the pattern of 2014’s last 8 games where the Chiefs had two runs of back-to-back-to-back losses. The team was playing for a share of the AFC West lead 3 weeks ago and now will have to claw their way to be in position for the last Wildcard slot. To the eyes outside of the building at Arrowhead Drive, this is looking like a systemic issue with Reid and his staff fading as the season closes. Positions and even careers cannot withstand that kind of trend for long.

Stop saying “Its Fixable” and Fix It
The second trend seen in Kansas City has been a lack of answers. Reid has been unable to correct any of the issues with his offense. Alex Smith has been sacked and average of 3 times per game in 2014. Even worse, he’s had to deal with 11 sacks in the last 2 contests alone. Yet, there have been no personnel changes and no apparent scheme changes along the offensive line. One notable change was made to the wide receivers by getting some fresh blood, some old and some new, into the lineup. That was generally successful. (more on the players later this week in part 2)

Sutton did get a much better performance from his defensive line in Arizona. While Joe Mays bolstered the run defense while he was on the field, Josh Mauga and James-Michael Johnson continue to have assignment breakdowns that allow huge chunks of yardage. Overall his defense still was gashed by the run and unable to get off the field when it counted most. The secondary still has Ron Parker playing out of position at cornerback. Chris Owens has not been as advertised in the slot and Sutton, Emmitt Thomas and Al Harris have not been able to rebuild Marcus Copper’s confidence. At this point in the season, they defense could really benefit from a re-built Cooper.

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Yes, that is how many running plays Andy Reid called against the Cardinals. The imbalance in Reid’s offense has been a concern all season, regardless of how many men the defense puts in the box. However, it has hit critical mass in the last two contests. Against the Cardinals, he called only 21.8%

That is the lowest called run percentage of the season outside the opener versus the Titans.

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In fact, the called running play percentage has dropped in every contest since the last win versus Seattle. in Arizona, Charles was injured and had to leave the game. It was reasonable to not give him a full load the rest of the day.
That is why the Chiefs have Knile Davis. He is a more than capable stand-in for Charles and he’s proven it. He can catch and his more powerful running style can wear down a defense that is crowding the line with 8 men. Yet, Knile Davis got just 1 carry against Arizona.

After the Cardinals kicked a field goal to end their first drive of the second half, the Chiefs got the ball back leading 14-9. Charles gained 1 yard on first down. Then Reid proceeded to call 7 passing plays in a row. The last two plays resulted in the Fasano interference call and the Alex Smith interception. The play by Okafor to disengage and intercept a badly thrown pass was the turning point. Running the ball on any of the preceding 6 plays may have changed the outcome of the game. That fact rests squarely on Andy Reid.

ThaVirus · 12-10-2014, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

This defense would be fine if we were fielding Vermeil's offense. But we aren't

So a top 5 defense isn't good enough..

We need top 3!

MTG#10 · 12-10-2014, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The truth of the matter is, Reid gets more out of this team than most coaches would, but he also manages to get less out of them through stupidity.

It's the enigma that is Andy Reid. Sadly. This team is by and large way overachieving their talent. But it's frustrating to watch them blow games they were surprisingly competitive in because of poor decision making.

This

Reerun_KC · 12-10-2014, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Who cares?

Holding an opponent, on the road, to 17 points or less should result in a win for the opposing team.

Unless that team, of course, is the Chiefs.

Bob doesn't care.
He is probably still trying to dig that huge dick out of his ass from all the breaking off teams are doing to his defense.

Titty Meat · 12-10-2014, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Who cares?

Holding an opponent, on the road, to 17 points or less should result in a win for the opposing team.

Unless that team, of course, is the Chiefs.

23 points the Cardinals kicker sucks. I get your point but the defense has still been a liability and only 8 turnovers all season.

InChiefsHeaven · 12-10-2014, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

23 points the Cardinals kicker sucks. I get your point but the defense has still been a liability and only 8 turnovers all season.

Can't we all just agree that this team is failing as a whole? The suck is happening everywhere, and each unit is feeding off the other...making them all one big fat pile of suck...

maybe special teams are...OK...I guess...

The whole team is losing these games. Even if the D is not giving up points, they are letting teams run all over them, giving the offense less time. This makes our shitty offense feel like they have to throw the ball all the goddam time, and we KNOW how that works out. So...3 and out, and the opposing team has another 5+ minute drive for at least a FG or we get pinned deep on a punt...and the offense sucks because...

...etc etc etc.

ThaVirus · 12-10-2014, 04:37 PM

The defense has been the liability. That's rich.

You could add all the field goals teams have missed against us this season and I'd bet we're still a top 5 scoring defense.

duncan_idaho · 12-10-2014, 04:39 PM

About time Andy Reid takes some hits around KC/media.

He went along with the offseason of sitting pat and relying on internal improvement at way too many spots to be competitive.

He hand-picked Alex Smith to run this offense.

He continues to give Jamaal Charles too few touches in the run game.

The things Eagles fans told us we wouldn't like are just as true as the things the HONEST 49ers fans (not the ball washers) told us we wouldn't like about Alex Smith.

Titty Meat · 12-10-2014, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The defense has been the liability. That's rich.

You could add all the field goals teams have missed against us this season and I'd bet we're still a top 5 scoring defense.

They don't give up a lot of points between opposing teams running for 100+ yards every game and Alex Smith throwing 4 yard passes it eats up alot of the clock. The ball control offense def. masked the defenses problems all year. Also you didn't address the 8 turnovers all year is that because it doesn't support your argument?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-10-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

23 points the Cardinals kicker sucks. I get your point but the defense has still been a liability and only 8 turnovers all season.

The defense in no way, shape or form, has been a "liability".

The Chiefs win if Andy Reid calls a great offensive game and they lose if his play calling is garbage.

The only game the Chiefs truly lost this year, IMO, is the first Denver game. Reid has been directly responsible for every single loss.

RunKC · 12-10-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

They don't give up a lot of points between opposing teams running for 100+ yards every game and Alex Smith throwing 4 yard passes it eats up alot of the clock. The ball control offense def. masked the defenses problems all year. Also you didn't address the 8 turnovers all year is that because it doesn't support your argument?

This team held a high powered Denver offense to 2 TD's in 7 redzone appearances....both thanks to Alex throwing the INT and the ST's blunder giving them 6 points.

Chiefs are also 10th in the NFL on 3rd down defense while stopping teams 3.9% more than last year, so they are forcing more punts, which is a turnover.

RunKC · 12-10-2014, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The defense in no way, shape or form, has been a "liability".

The Chiefs win if Andy Reid calls a great offensive game and they lose if his play calling is garbage.

The only game the Chiefs truly lost this year, IMO, is the first Denver game. Reid has been directly responsible for every single loss.

Disagree here. Despite Andy's bad play calling, Alex was responsible for the Raider and Cardinals loss. There were open players and Alex's horrid INT last Sunday changed the whole game.

TEX · 12-10-2014, 05:04 PM

When you consider the SHIT OL, WR's and QB, I can't imagine WHY Reid likes to pass so much?

TEX · 12-10-2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The defense in no way, shape or form, has been a "liability".

The Chiefs win if Andy Reid calls a great offensive game and they lose if his play calling is garbage.

The only game the Chiefs truly lost this year, IMO, is the first Denver game. Reid has been directly responsible for every single loss.

I agree about the defense and the game-planning but KC was never really in 2nd Denver game save for a few moments. THAT was a TOTAL ASS POUNDING.

ThaVirus · 12-10-2014, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

They don't give up a lot of points between opposing teams running for 100+ yards every game and Alex Smith throwing 4 yard passes it eats up alot of the clock. The ball control offense def. masked the defenses problems all year. Also you didn't address the 8 turnovers all year is that because it doesn't support your argument?

Your argument is shit. I had hoped I wouldn't need to entertain you any further..

When your defense gives up an average of 18 points per game, you should win far more often than not, not be sitting at 1 game over .500.

If memory serves, our offense scored 20, 16, and 14 points over the past three weeks? That is ****ing horrendous and will not get the job done in this league.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-10-2014, 08:15 PM

I ask again:

Has Reid been informed that he now coaches in the AFC?

12-09-2014, 07:59 PM
Chief Roundup Admitted Planet Junky Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $2021627	Media starting to take "A Hard Look" at Andy Reid http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl/afc...s-part-1-r5430 The latest loss for the Kansas City Chiefs may be the hardest to reconcile. When a team struggles like they did in Arizona the entire organization needs to be ready to find the issues and correct them. Nothing is more corrosive to a team’s confidence than not knowing why its losing. It is the responsibility of both the players and staff. Today, Andy Reid is in looking glass. I’ll discuss the players later this week in a special 2-part Chiefs’ Truths. Evaluate Team including Andy Reid John Dorsey was brought to Kansas City after Andy Reid was hired as Head Coach, supposedly on the recommendation of Reid. Now, he will be in the possibly difficult position of evaluating Reid’s performance leading the team. There are 2 very disturbing trends. The 2013 Kansas City Chiefs started 9-0 there first season on Reid’s leadership. Then came the bye week. After the bye, the Chiefs lost 6 of their next 8 games, bouncing from the playoffs in the first round (again). They were swept by Denver and San Diego and lost twice in three weeks to Indianapolis. For a squad that was young and somewhat cobbled together after the final roster cuts, it was a solid first season. It’s a very big red flag to see the last 3 contests all come out as losses. It hints at 2014 repeating the pattern of 2014’s last 8 games where the Chiefs had two runs of back-to-back-to-back losses. The team was playing for a share of the AFC West lead 3 weeks ago and now will have to claw their way to be in position for the last Wildcard slot. To the eyes outside of the building at Arrowhead Drive, this is looking like a systemic issue with Reid and his staff fading as the season closes. Positions and even careers cannot withstand that kind of trend for long. Stop saying “Its Fixable” and Fix It The second trend seen in Kansas City has been a lack of answers. Reid has been unable to correct any of the issues with his offense. Alex Smith has been sacked and average of 3 times per game in 2014. Even worse, he’s had to deal with 11 sacks in the last 2 contests alone. Yet, there have been no personnel changes and no apparent scheme changes along the offensive line. One notable change was made to the wide receivers by getting some fresh blood, some old and some new, into the lineup. That was generally successful. (more on the players later this week in part 2) Sutton did get a much better performance from his defensive line in Arizona. While Joe Mays bolstered the run defense while he was on the field, Josh Mauga and James-Michael Johnson continue to have assignment breakdowns that allow huge chunks of yardage. Overall his defense still was gashed by the run and unable to get off the field when it counted most. The secondary still has Ron Parker playing out of position at cornerback. Chris Owens has not been as advertised in the slot and Sutton, Emmitt Thomas and Al Harris have not been able to rebuild Marcus Copper’s confidence. At this point in the season, they defense could really benefit from a re-built Cooper. 13 Yes, that is how many running plays Andy Reid called against the Cardinals. The imbalance in Reid’s offense has been a concern all season, regardless of how many men the defense puts in the box. However, it has hit critical mass in the last two contests. Against the Cardinals, he called only 21.8% That is the lowest called run percentage of the season outside the opener versus the Titans. Posted Image In fact, the called running play percentage has dropped in every contest since the last win versus Seattle. in Arizona, Charles was injured and had to leave the game. It was reasonable to not give him a full load the rest of the day. That is why the Chiefs have Knile Davis. He is a more than capable stand-in for Charles and he’s proven it. He can catch and his more powerful running style can wear down a defense that is crowding the line with 8 men. Yet, Knile Davis got just 1 carry against Arizona. After the Cardinals kicked a field goal to end their first drive of the second half, the Chiefs got the ball back leading 14-9. Charles gained 1 yard on first down. Then Reid proceeded to call 7 passing plays in a row. The last two plays resulted in the Fasano interference call and the Alex Smith interception. The play by Okafor to disengage and intercept a badly thrown pass was the turning point. Running the ball on any of the preceding 6 plays may have changed the outcome of the game. That fact rests squarely on Andy Reid.
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