We’ve got to get Eric Murray off the field

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Again, if it actually IS the talent, why would they blame something other than the actual cause? It may sound like a broken record but a broken record is indeed broken.

To blame talent and do nothing about said talent is a problem though.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

To blame talent and do nothing about said talent is a problem though.

I don’t think it’s fair to say they did “nothing” though.

Hitchens, Williams, Fuller were all 3 good additions. And they went all in on defense in the draft. It’s hard to find guys that have an immediate impact without a 1st and picking late though.

What I don’t understand is, it really seemed like most were in agreement that the defense was a two year project. I honestly don’t know why a lot of people forgot that.

When did they say that it was the talent AND all they needed is one year to fix it?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think it’s fair to say they did “nothing” though.

Hitchens, Williams, Fuller were all 3 good additions. And they went all in on defense in the draft. It’s hard to find guys that have an immediate impact without a 1st and picking late.

What I don’t understand is, it really seemed like most were in agreement that the defense was a two year project. I honestly don’t know why a lot of people forgot that.

Because Mahomes is WAY better than we thought he'd be at this point.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because Mahomes is WAY better than we thought he'd be at this point.

That’s nonsensical.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That’s nonsensical.

Well, it's not rational but it is true.

People's expectations change all the time in reaction to changes in events.

Everybody assumed Mahomes would have growing pains to go along with the defense' growing pains, so this year was essentially a lost year.

With Mahomes coming out of the gates looking like a polished vet, the expectations change (again, whether that's rational or not) because suddenly only one unit needs time.

Not saying it's RIGHT, just saying that's exactly what is going on.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, it's not rational but it is true.

People's expectations change all the time in reaction to changes in events.

Everybody assumed Mahomes would have growing pains to go along with the defense' growing pains, so this year was essentially a lost year.

With Mahomes coming out of the gates looking like a polished vet, the expectations change (again, whether that's rational or not) because suddenly only one unit needs time.

Not saying it's RIGHT, just saying that's exactly what is going on.

Oh I definitely agree that’s why.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because Mahomes is WAY better than we thought he'd be at this point.

What’s with this we bullshit

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think it’s fair to say they did “nothing” though.

Hitchens, Williams, Fuller were all 3 good additions. And they went all in on defense in the draft. It’s hard to find guys that have an immediate impact without a 1st and picking late though.

What I don’t understand is, it really seemed like most were in agreement that the defense was a two year project. I honestly don’t know why a lot of people forgot that.

When did they say that it was the talent AND all they needed is one year to fix it?

Did we not have the juice or the desire to move up for a guy like Josh Jackson?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Did we not have the juice or the desire to move up for a guy like Josh Jackson?

We had the desire to move up for Speaks, right?

So I'd have to say all signs point to "desire".

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

We had the desire to move up for Speaks, right?

So I'd have to say all signs point to "desire".

Then, that's on Veach. If you trade away a talent like Peters, you better get a guy to fill that void.

Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib have allowed 37 yards *combined* through 2 weeks

85 different CBs have allowed more than that on their own

— Mike Renner (@PFF_Mike) September 17, 2018

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think it’s fair to say they did “nothing” though.

Hitchens, Williams, Fuller were all 3 good additions. And they went all in on defense in the draft. It’s hard to find guys that have an immediate impact without a 1st and picking late though.

What I don’t understand is, it really seemed like most were in agreement that the defense was a two year project. I honestly don’t know why a lot of people forgot that.

When did they say that it was the talent AND all they needed is one year to fix it?

In a vacuum those are not bad moves, but when you realize after dropping Peters this team needed at least 1 if not 2 more CB's that were at the very least passable players was known by everyone. Even with Eric Berry this team has a safety hole.

No person here is going to convince me that Breeland Speaks was a pressing need and they couldn't have filled that spot with a somewhat productive vet on the cheap.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think it’s fair to say they did “nothing” though.

Hitchens, Williams, Fuller were all 3 good additions. And they went all in on defense in the draft. It’s hard to find guys that have an immediate impact without a 1st and picking late though.

What I don’t understand is, it really seemed like most were in agreement that the defense was a two year project. I honestly don’t know why a lot of people forgot that.

When did they say that it was the talent AND all they needed is one year to fix it?

a two year project with the cap they are spending?! hahaha they are not in a rebuild theres no such thing as a project when youre spending the kind of money the Chiefs are

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

a two year project with the cap they are spending?! hahaha they are not in a rebuild theres no such thing as a project when youre spending the kind of money the Chiefs are

Well if you thought they could fix this D in one offseason with what they had to work with I have to really question your intelligence.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Well if you thought they could fix this D in one offseason with what they had to work with I have to really question your intelligence.

you can insult my intelligence all you want but the defense has been in a downhil progression ever since this regime turned it around in 2013... ahem one offseason. It was this teams strength for at least a good 4 years, payers got older, injuries happen, etc but this defense wasnt always this bad. They brought it respectability in 2013 atter one offseasom they can certainly do it again.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think it’s fair to say they did “nothing” though.

Hitchens, Williams, Fuller were all 3 good additions. And they went all in on defense in the draft. It’s hard to find guys that have an immediate impact without a 1st and picking late though.

What I don’t understand is, it really seemed like most were in agreement that the defense was a two year project. I honestly don’t know why a lot of people forgot that.

When did they say that it was the talent AND all they needed is one year to fix it?

It's more than a 2 year project. Short of doing what L.A. did and selling out for a dominant defense, the 2019 KC Chiefs will probably still have a bottom 10 defense. We don't have a single quality pass rusher and we're going nowhere until that changes.