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[DJ's left nut]

Poor Chuck Pagano.

The guy's going to get cursed as not being able to win with Andrew Luck but the fact remains that Ryan Grigson is so incredibly bad at his job that he manages to undercut any advantage that comes with having Luck.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Poor Chuck Pagano.

The guy's going to get cursed as not being able to win with Andrew Luck but the fact remains that Ryan Grigson is so incredibly bad at his job that he manages to undercut any advantage that comes with having Luck.

There's actually been some rumor about Pagano to Denver.

I dunno how I'd feel about that.

And in regards to Luck, I agree to a degree, but man, Luck still does alot of shit I didn't think he'd be doing by now. Are we really that sure he's what we thought he'd be?

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by O.city

There's actually been some rumor about Pagano to Denver.

I dunno how I'd feel about that.

And in regards to Luck, I agree to a degree, but man, Luck still does alot of shit I didn't think he'd be doing by now. Are we really that sure he's what we thought he'd be?

I don't think Luck will ever be as good as Manning or Brady, which is the standard he's held too, but he's still a top 5 quarterback who's just entering his prime.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

I don't think Luck will ever be as good as Manning or Brady, which is the standard he's held too, but he's still a top 5 quarterback who's just entering his prime.

A top 5 qb? I don't think so.

Top 5 qbs don't do things he does. It's not just losing games, he's in a bad situation sure. But they lose games because he throws alot of interceptions.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

I don't think Luck will ever be as good as Manning or Brady, which is the standard he's held too, but he's still a top 5 quarterback who's just entering his prime.

Remember Manning and the Colts went though some growing pains and struggles early in his career after some initial success under Jim Mora.

I think the right HC/offensive coaching staff will win big with Andrew Luck.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

I don't think Luck will ever be as good as Manning or Brady, which is the standard he's held too, but he's still a top 5 quarterback who's just entering his prime.

It's easy to forget now, but it took Manning 6 years to even win a playoff game.

Luck has already won multiple playoff games and been to the AFC title game. And he's done it without much on defense. The QBs who are successful early, Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Dak this year... all of them had elite top 5 defenses behind them. Not just some of them, all of them. Luck has been asked to basically carry that entire franchise. He's never had a top defense, and recently he's had a terrible offensive line. On top of that, a terrible GM who seems to hamstring the team every chance he gets. You give him the 2013 Seahawks defense, and watch what happens.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Poor Chuck Pagano.

The guy's going to get cursed as not being able to win with Andrew Luck but the fact remains that Ryan Grigson is so incredibly bad at his job that he manages to undercut any advantage that comes with having Luck.

They're both awful and need to go. Grigson for the TRich trade and countless other FA and draft gaffes and Pagano because he's an AWFUL coach, from the confoundingly dumb fake punt to the horrible record against winning teams to the fact that they consistently are sluggish and unprepared to play.

If it weren't for Luck and Hasselbeck playing out of his mind for several games last year, their record would be WELL below 500%.