Talking Draft Prospects - Page 11

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

Spoiler!

Exoter175 · 10-17-2014, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Luke is vastly overrated. He absolutely sucks this year and is a big part of the reason why the Panthers' run defense is looking like shit this year, ranked 27th in the league.

I attribute a lot of that to their offense, actually, and the two are mutual and go hand in hand.

OldSchool · 10-17-2014, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

I attribute a lot of that to their offense, actually, and the two are mutual and go hand in hand.

His offense makes him fill the wrong gap, make the wrong read, over-pursue, and just miss tackles that you would expect any good ILB, much less one who was voted DPOY, to make? It's one thing if this happens once in a while to a linebacker, but it has happened in virtually every game that I've watched the Panthers play this year.

O.city · 10-17-2014, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

No, we certainly are not agreeing because you can't comprehend what I'm saying.

You're assuming that I'm saying Reid is calling the shots, I'm not. You're also assuming that because of the prior assumption, that Dorsey is taking orders, he's not.

It works from the ground up, and someone as intellectual, at least in your penchant for overthinking everything, SHOULD be able to use your powers of deduction to discern the difference between the fine lines of "orders" and "logic".

If Reid and Sutton come in here saying we want to run a West Coast offense and a hybrid between the base 3-4 and the Nickel/Dime defenses, A "smart" GM uses logic to dictate his player selection. You're not going to draft pass rushing Defensive Tackles with slight frames and longer arms. You're not going to draft smaller corners with average speed but with zero strength. Why? Because they just don't FIT the defensive scheme here.

You need big body physical monsters at the DT position to occupy space and eat up double teams so you can get your Outside Linebackers into beatable matchups off the edge, and your inside guys a clear lane to fill when the runner comes up. You want solid tacklers on the edge who play more of a "hybrid" DE role here as they both need to have a quick first step, as well as enough body to leverage the tackles for run support.

This whole defensive "base" scheme we have, is designed in part, to do two things. Give DJ, Berry, +MLB2 open lanes to blow up on running downs, and give Houston/Hali 1 on 1 matchups on the edge on Passing Downs. To do this, you need Poe. He's a ****ing manbeast of a DT and EMBODIES every single bit of the position that Reid needs here. If there's ONE guy on this entire defense that truly Anchors the Defense in the mindset that Reid and Sutton want it done, its Poe and Poe above all others. Berry is a FINE piece to have, but any warm body can take his place in the 3-4, they just lack what Berry brings to the table, playmaking ability. Which is sad, because that makes Berry somewhat expendable in Suttons defense, though the mere mentioning of that word "seems" laughable because Berry is ALL WORLD good.

The second part of that, the Nickel/Dime packages that we have, require us to have absolutely stellar physical corners on the outside because the whole goal here is to take away the outside/quick release throws, and force the ball into the center of the defense. We want this to be done because of a few reaons. 1.) It puts the ball carrier right in the middle of the defense where our most prominent tacklers and playmakers are, DJ and Berry. 2.) It keeps the clock moving, ideologically, this is what we want as our plan is to play with a lead and use a very minimal, yet effective pass rush while locking down the secondary. 3.) There are, in all honesty, only 3 passing lanes to work with in the Nickel or Dime with a minimal rush using press-man coverage on the outside. With a disruptive Poe, he's going to neutralize 1 lane about 35-40% of the time, and with Hali, Houston, and Bailey on the edges with only 2 lanes to throw, this makes for "easy pickings" on negative yardage plays as the timing required to "often" make a succesful pass in those two lanes requires our outside corners to lose their receiver to the inside, where we technically want the ball. If they are succesful with their jams, delaying the release of the ball even .5 of a second, the QB will likely see pressure and hurry the throw or step up into the pocket, into Poe. What happens here is a lot of check downs and quick TE outs/screens, limiting the downfield routes. This is literally an ideal scenario for this sytem, the only downfall is that Cooper hasn't yet made the next step in his career and his confidence is shaky. When he's "on" he's honestly probably our best corner. When he's off, he's sabby piscateli bad. Unfortunately, he receives a lot of bad credit for busted plays where he's out of position, because our makeshift safeties aren't communicating well enough and they themselves have been out of position many times. I believe it was New England or Denver game where people blamed Cooper on miscue which turned into a touchdown, when in fact it was the Safety who was out of place and ended up 15 yards on the other side of his zone.

Now, bringing this back into perspective, I bring this up for one main reason. If Dorsey "had" a mold for guys he likes to draft, and he really doesn't as evidenced by his GB and KC drafts, this wouldn't bode well for ANY Coach/Coordinator as they'd be receiving talent not fit for their system, and he'd likely get ran out of town within the first two years, because he's simply not doing his job. You don't just draft talent and plug away, Pioli did that horribly. You (the GM) draft the BEST talent for the SYSTEM you play in. This is exactly why there's the old "talk" about how a New GM brings a new HC, brings a new QB when franchises turnover their staff, and it doesn't happen "just because" or because of "their guy". It happens because something as simple as a new coordinator, brings in a whole different "need' for skillsets.

This team needs BIG physical corners because of the schemes we run. This team needs MONSTER athletes at DT because of the schemes we run. This team needs Sideline to Sideline ILB's because of the schemes we run. This team needs "all around" TE's because of the schemes we run. This team needs physical "big body" receivers because of the schemes we run.

Obviously though, there's room for some exceptions, like Nickel/Dime Corners, and 1 Deep threat/Slot/Burner receiver, and 1 dynamite "3rd down" receiver TE option. Just like this offensive line doesn't need "maulers" for the ideal role Reid wants this scheme working with, though with JC, we kind of need hybrid maulers just because you "work with what you've got" and having JC means we HAVE to run the ball to be effective. If the defense knows JC is only getting a pitch count every game, we're going to lose every stinking time.

Whole point here, to reiterate again, is that Dorsey drafts to the scheme, rather well. He waiver claims/signs to the scheme pretty well too, though in all honesty, he's pretty bad at "stop gap" talent when he has a hole that needs filling via FA.

So seriously, get off this "Dorsey type" bullshit, and start thinking "Scheme type".

This is literally the biggest bunch of shit I've read here and I feel dumber after reading it.

Scheme fit isn't Dorset fit? Dorset picked the scheme. Dorset also didn't draft in green bay

Direckshun · 10-17-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

No, we certainly are not agreeing because you can't comprehend what I'm saying.

You're assuming that I'm saying Reid is calling the shots, I'm not. You're also assuming that because of the prior assumption, that Dorsey is taking orders, he's not.

It works from the ground up, and someone as intellectual, at least in your penchant for overthinking everything, SHOULD be able to use your powers of deduction to discern the difference between the fine lines of "orders" and "logic".

If Reid and Sutton come in here saying we want to run a West Coast offense and a hybrid between the base 3-4 and the Nickel/Dime defenses, A "smart" GM uses logic to dictate his player selection. You're not going to draft pass rushing Defensive Tackles with slight frames and longer arms. You're not going to draft smaller corners with average speed but with zero strength. Why? Because they just don't FIT the defensive scheme here.

You need big body physical monsters at the DT position to occupy space and eat up double teams so you can get your Outside Linebackers into beatable matchups off the edge, and your inside guys a clear lane to fill when the runner comes up. You want solid tacklers on the edge who play more of a "hybrid" DE role here as they both need to have a quick first step, as well as enough body to leverage the tackles for run support.

This whole defensive "base" scheme we have, is designed in part, to do two things. Give DJ, Berry, +MLB2 open lanes to blow up on running downs, and give Houston/Hali 1 on 1 matchups on the edge on Passing Downs. To do this, you need Poe. He's a ****ing manbeast of a DT and EMBODIES every single bit of the position that Reid needs here. If there's ONE guy on this entire defense that truly Anchors the Defense in the mindset that Reid and Sutton want it done, its Poe and Poe above all others. Berry is a FINE piece to have, but any warm body can take his place in the 3-4, they just lack what Berry brings to the table, playmaking ability. Which is sad, because that makes Berry somewhat expendable in Suttons defense, though the mere mentioning of that word "seems" laughable because Berry is ALL WORLD good.

The second part of that, the Nickel/Dime packages that we have, require us to have absolutely stellar physical corners on the outside because the whole goal here is to take away the outside/quick release throws, and force the ball into the center of the defense. We want this to be done because of a few reaons. 1.) It puts the ball carrier right in the middle of the defense where our most prominent tacklers and playmakers are, DJ and Berry. 2.) It keeps the clock moving, ideologically, this is what we want as our plan is to play with a lead and use a very minimal, yet effective pass rush while locking down the secondary. 3.) There are, in all honesty, only 3 passing lanes to work with in the Nickel or Dime with a minimal rush using press-man coverage on the outside. With a disruptive Poe, he's going to neutralize 1 lane about 35-40% of the time, and with Hali, Houston, and Bailey on the edges with only 2 lanes to throw, this makes for "easy pickings" on negative yardage plays as the timing required to "often" make a succesful pass in those two lanes requires our outside corners to lose their receiver to the inside, where we technically want the ball. If they are succesful with their jams, delaying the release of the ball even .5 of a second, the QB will likely see pressure and hurry the throw or step up into the pocket, into Poe. What happens here is a lot of check downs and quick TE outs/screens, limiting the downfield routes. This is literally an ideal scenario for this sytem, the only downfall is that Cooper hasn't yet made the next step in his career and his confidence is shaky. When he's "on" he's honestly probably our best corner. When he's off, he's sabby piscateli bad. Unfortunately, he receives a lot of bad credit for busted plays where he's out of position, because our makeshift safeties aren't communicating well enough and they themselves have been out of position many times. I believe it was New England or Denver game where people blamed Cooper on miscue which turned into a touchdown, when in fact it was the Safety who was out of place and ended up 15 yards on the other side of his zone.

Now, bringing this back into perspective, I bring this up for one main reason. If Dorsey "had" a mold for guys he likes to draft, and he really doesn't as evidenced by his GB and KC drafts, this wouldn't bode well for ANY Coach/Coordinator as they'd be receiving talent not fit for their system, and he'd likely get ran out of town within the first two years, because he's simply not doing his job. You don't just draft talent and plug away, Pioli did that horribly. You (the GM) draft the BEST talent for the SYSTEM you play in. This is exactly why there's the old "talk" about how a New GM brings a new HC, brings a new QB when franchises turnover their staff, and it doesn't happen "just because" or because of "their guy". It happens because something as simple as a new coordinator, brings in a whole different "need' for skillsets.

This team needs BIG physical corners because of the schemes we run. This team needs MONSTER athletes at DT because of the schemes we run. This team needs Sideline to Sideline ILB's because of the schemes we run. This team needs "all around" TE's because of the schemes we run. This team needs physical "big body" receivers because of the schemes we run.

Obviously though, there's room for some exceptions, like Nickel/Dime Corners, and 1 Deep threat/Slot/Burner receiver, and 1 dynamite "3rd down" receiver TE option. Just like this offensive line doesn't need "maulers" for the ideal role Reid wants this scheme working with, though with JC, we kind of need hybrid maulers just because you "work with what you've got" and having JC means we HAVE to run the ball to be effective. If the defense knows JC is only getting a pitch count every game, we're going to lose every stinking time.

Whole point here, to reiterate again, is that Dorsey drafts to the scheme, rather well. He waiver claims/signs to the scheme pretty well too, though in all honesty, he's pretty bad at "stop gap" talent when he has a hole that needs filling via FA.

So seriously, get off this "Dorsey type" bullshit, and start thinking "Scheme type".

I don't disagree with any of this. Good post.

It honestly sounds like when I'm saying "Dorsey type" anyway, it means the same thing as when you're saying "scheme type." We're both saying the same thing with a different adjective. I'm fairly certain it's that simple.

Direckshun · 10-17-2014, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

This is literally the biggest bunch of shit I've read here and I feel dumber after reading it.

Scheme fit isn't Dorset fit? Dorset picked the scheme. Dorset also didn't draft in green bay

This is about right.

I think they're one in the same.

kccrow · 10-17-2014, 08:26 PM

Correct me if I missed reading these already Direckshun...

Interested in takes on:

OT Tyler Sambrailo - Colorado State (I see him as an excellent OG prospect)
WR Stefon Diggs - Maryland (Potential game breaker)
DE Anthony Chickillo - Miami (Thinking later round guy that you bulk up like Bailey. He's 277 now)

Direckshun · 10-17-2014, 08:31 PM

I've mocked Sambrailo and Chickillo to the Chiefs in previous mocks, and I like Diggs a lot. I've been interested in all three players. Sambrailo and Diggs should be coming within the next week.

You think Sambrailo is more of a guard prospect?

OldSchool · 10-17-2014, 09:44 PM

While we're on the subject of offensive tackles, check out T.J. Clemmings from Pitt. He only switched to OT a couple of years ago from DE. Super athletic, good length, and great burst in the run game.

He plays RT because of his lack of experience but he moves and looks like an athletic LT.

kccrow · 10-17-2014, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I've mocked Sambrailo and Chickillo to the Chiefs in previous mocks, and I like Diggs a lot. I've been interested in all three players. Sambrailo and Diggs should be coming within the next week.

You think Sambrailo is more of a guard prospect?

Yes... I see this "light on his feet" shit written all the time and I don't see it at all. He's a bit heavy on his feet if you ask me. He's a bit of a lunger against speed. I think NFL caliber speed rushers will make his head spin. He might function as a right tackle, but I'd be worried a bunch about his strength out the gate as a right tackle. I think he'd be best used inside where some of his flaws can be greatly masked.

I think if you talk about a guy that is an elite reach and seal run blocker, then look no further. He also functions adequately in space, although I'd like to see more lock-on type open field blocking than lunging and getting in the way. Ask Jon Asamoah how well that shit works in the NFL... He's solid in pass pro, especially against slower opponents and he has a very quick punch. To me his skill set screams guard. If I had to prognosticate right now, I'd say he'd be an Pro-Bowl level guard and a serviceable-at-best tackle.

Direckshun · 10-18-2014, 03:31 AM

OG A.J. Cann, South Carolina -- Cann is built like a tree trunk and offers you exactly the type of skillset you'd expect from that. Cann stands at 6'3", 318 lbs, but his thick bottom half and beefy arms make him look about 330. That translates, when used, into a whole lot of downhill blocking power. Cann is at his absolute best when he gets to unload into a defense tackle in the run game and move him off the ball. The more your offense does that, the better suited Cann will be. His frame is utterly constructed for that, but isn't as well built for agility -- he's okay when he pulls, but he can struggle in space at the second level trying to track down defensive backs. He is at his best against big, powerful nose tackles that play to his strength, but he can totally miss on athletic three-techniques who show great burst off the line. He looks like he runs a 5.5, honestly, but is surprisingly good in pass protection against DTs. He can take a good punch from a DT, recover, and stymie most rushes in their tracks. Occasionally someone can get around him, but trying to bullrush Cann is a fool's errand. He's not an elite talent, but as a really solid passblocker and powerful road grader, I'd think him worth a midrounder for a likeminded team. I'd put him at a 3rd-4th rounder.

Direckshun · 10-18-2014, 05:09 AM

Pretty weird to me that A.J. Cann's been projected as a 1st round pick in some circles. He just doesn't seem athletic enough to warrant that kind of consideration.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/1...-a-1st-rounder

Exoter175 · 10-19-2014, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

This is literally the biggest bunch of shit I've read here and I feel dumber after reading it.

Scheme fit isn't Dorset fit? Dorset picked the scheme. Dorset also didn't draft in green bay

You just called that the biggest bunch of shit you've read, and yet you think that Dorsey picks the schemes?

The schemes come down to coordinators/Coaches, not the GM. While one could say that he brought in Reid "knowing" the scheme, he chose Reid because he's a winning, solid "coach em up" type of coach who was without a doubt the best option available to us. Reid runs the game but has a huge hand in the Offensive playcalling/coordination. Sutton almost entirely controls that defense. Dorsey has NOTHING to do with the scheme.

And to say Dorsey didn't draft for the Packers, really? REALLY?

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

This is about right.

I think they're one in the same.

From your side, it'll seem like semantics because you believe Dorsey has a type and only goes for that type, and that's incorrect. On the other hand, Dorsey HAS been drafting to the Reid/Sutton scheme, so he's taking his guys, who fit those schemes.

Point here is, you can't just rule a guy as a Dorsey Fit or not a Dorsey fit, because they also have to fit Reid/Sutton.

Further, you MUST, and I emphasize must here, acknowledge the fact that ZERO GM's out there worth their weight, draft solely for the talent they desire, regardless of the scheme and system. You simply wouldn't last, as a GM.

Exoter175 · 10-19-2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Pretty weird to me that A.J. Cann's been projected as a 1st round pick in some circles. He just doesn't seem athletic enough to warrant that kind of consideration.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/1...-a-1st-rounder

Isn't he like 6 foot 350 lbs? lol

O.city · 10-19-2014, 11:26 AM

Dorset is the gm, he picks the coordinators, so by asssociation, he picks the schemes

Direckshun · 10-19-2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

From your side, it'll seem like semantics because you believe Dorsey has a type and only goes for that type, and that's incorrect. On the other hand, Dorsey HAS been drafting to the Reid/Sutton scheme, so he's taking his guys, who fit those schemes.

Point here is, you can't just rule a guy as a Dorsey Fit or not a Dorsey fit, because they also have to fit Reid/Sutton.

Further, you MUST, and I emphasize must here, acknowledge the fact that ZERO GM's out there worth their weight, draft solely for the talent they desire, regardless of the scheme and system. You simply wouldn't last, as a GM.

I wouldn't last as a GM for a dozen reasons, but my opinion on how John Dorsey drafts probably wouldn't be one of them.

09-24-2014, 02:22 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4293447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3137078	Correct me if I missed reading these already Direckshun... Interested in takes on: OT Tyler Sambrailo - Colorado State (I see him as an excellent OG prospect) WR Stefon Diggs - Maryland (Potential game breaker) DE Anthony Chickillo - Miami (Thinking later round guy that you bulk up like Bailey. He's 277 now)
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4293447	I've mocked Sambrailo and Chickillo to the Chiefs in previous mocks, and I like Diggs a lot. I've been interested in all three players. Sambrailo and Diggs should be coming within the next week. You think Sambrailo is more of a guard prospect?
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10-17-2014, 09:44 PM	#158
OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	While we're on the subject of offensive tackles, check out T.J. Clemmings from Pitt. He only switched to OT a couple of years ago from DE. Super athletic, good length, and great burst in the run game. He plays RT because of his lack of experience but he moves and looks like an athletic LT.
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10-18-2014, 03:31 AM	#160
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4293447	OG A.J. Cann, South Carolina -- Cann is built like a tree trunk and offers you exactly the type of skillset you'd expect from that. Cann stands at 6'3", 318 lbs, but his thick bottom half and beefy arms make him look about 330. That translates, when used, into a whole lot of downhill blocking power. Cann is at his absolute best when he gets to unload into a defense tackle in the run game and move him off the ball. The more your offense does that, the better suited Cann will be. His frame is utterly constructed for that, but isn't as well built for agility -- he's okay when he pulls, but he can struggle in space at the second level trying to track down defensive backs. He is at his best against big, powerful nose tackles that play to his strength, but he can totally miss on athletic three-techniques who show great burst off the line. He looks like he runs a 5.5, honestly, but is surprisingly good in pass protection against DTs. He can take a good punch from a DT, recover, and stymie most rushes in their tracks. Occasionally someone can get around him, but trying to bullrush Cann is a fool's errand. He's not an elite talent, but as a really solid passblocker and powerful road grader, I'd think him worth a midrounder for a likeminded team. I'd put him at a 3rd-4th rounder. Last edited by Direckshun; 10-18-2014 at 05:11 AM..
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10-18-2014, 05:09 AM	#161
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4293447	Pretty weird to me that A.J. Cann's been projected as a 1st round pick in some circles. He just doesn't seem athletic enough to warrant that kind of consideration. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/1...-a-1st-rounder
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10-19-2014, 11:26 AM	#164
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