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Old 05-18-2013, 12:50 AM   #1
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Enterprise never happened. Archer is nonexistent

I really ****ing love Kate Mulgrew, and with some good writing I really think she could have been considered in the Kirk/Picard debate. Sadly, the writers made her the worst developed character of all the captains. She was also wishy-washy, wreckless, unprincipled, and occasionally highly irrational. She's the worst.

Kirk (Pine) has only done two movies. Tough to rank him any higher.

There's a huge gap after that before we get to the top 3. I've seen all the OS episodes and all the movies. I don't have the same nostalgia or fascination with the original that other people do. I also place a far greater value on what a captain actually faces and how they get out of it. Shatner's Kirk came from a different era of television, when it was still fine to represent peaceful and helpful democracy through the barrel of a gun. No, none of the Star Trek captains are exactly peaceniks, but Kirk didn't have any of the restraints that Picard or Sisko had in how they did business. He also never had to deal with the Borg. Based on that, he's 3rd for me.

Sisko/Picard are 1a and 1b, and I waver back and forth between the two constantly. If I had to pick the best one, I'd go with Sisko I think. Picard did some incredible ****ing shit, but quite often he relied on Data to get him out of jams. Sisko relied on his own chocolate thunder to get him out of jams and nothing else. He rarely even used his goddamn shapeshifter. ****, if I were a captain that'd be my #1 tool for the job every time.

Summary:

1a. Sisko
1b. Picard
2. Shatner/Kirk
3. Pine/Kirk
4. Janeway
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:54 AM   #2
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Enterprise never happened. Archer is nonexistent

I really ****ing love Kate Mulgrew, and with some good writing I really think she could have been considered in the Kirk/Picard debate. Sadly, the writers made her the worst developed character of all the captains. She was also wishy-washy, wreckless, unprincipled, and occasionally highly irrational. She's the worst.

Kirk (Pine) has only done two movies. Tough to rank him any higher.

There's a huge gap after that before we get to the top 3. I've seen all the OS episodes and all the movies. I don't have the same nostalgia or fascination with the original that other people do. I also place a far greater value on what a captain actually faces and how they get out of it. Shatner's Kirk came from a different era of television, when it was still fine to represent peaceful and helpful democracy through the barrel of a gun. No, none of the Star Trek captains are exactly peaceniks, but Kirk didn't have any of the restraints that Picard or Sisko had in how they did business. He also never had to deal with the Borg. Based on that, he's 3rd for me.

Sisko/Picard are 1a and 1b, and I waver back and forth between the two constantly. If I had to pick the best one, I'd go with Sisko I think. Picard did some incredible ****ing shit, but quite often he relied on Data to get him out of jams. Sisko relied on his own chocolate thunder to get him out of jams and nothing else. He rarely even used his goddamn shapeshifter. ****, if I were a captain that'd be my #1 tool for the job every time.

Summary:

1a. Sisko
1b. Picard
2. Shatner/Kirk
3. Pine/Kirk
4. Janeway
Wasn't in the budget or he would have
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:41 AM   #3
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Enterprise never happened. Archer is nonexistent
Is it not considered canon? Or are you just saying you hated the show?
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:56 AM   #4
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Picard did some incredible ****ing shit, but quite often he relied on Data to get him out of jams. Sisko relied on his own chocolate thunder to get him out of jams and nothing else.
This. Thread over.

Bravo, SNR.

Let's not even get into the fact that Picard had the goddamn flagship of the Federation at his disposal, while Sisko was confined to a shitty secondhand space station that broke down constantly.

And when he did get a ship of his own? Faces were raped all over the galaxy.
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:56 AM   #5
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:04 AM   #6
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shatner is the classic so he has to be first
Picard was probably the best
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:37 AM   #7
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Shatner/Kirk

OG Kirk fought like a silver age comic book character.
Kirk had an arsenal of fight moves you wont see outside of shootfighting/prowrestling...

double axe handle
doubled backhand
double drop kick AKA twin warp engines
doubled hammer fist
full body sweep
head scissor takedown AKA Inoki's twisting frankensteiner
the human projectile
judo chop
judo hip toss
judo fist
judo palm
judo's Tomoe Nage/rolling thunder
twisting arm drag
the wall of pain AKA the big bonk

Kirk was really good with combos/transitions too. Kirk's wrist catch/pimp slap/front kiss was on par with Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira's triangle/armbar
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Shatner/Kirk

OG Kirk fought like a silver age comic book character.
Kirk had an arsenal of fight moves you wont see outside of shootfighting/prowrestling...

double axe handle
doubled backhand
double drop kick AKA twin warp engines
doubled hammer fist
full body sweep
head scissor takedown AKA Inoki's twisting frankensteiner
the human projectile
judo chop
judo hip toss
judo fist
judo palm
judo's Tomoe Nage/rolling thunder
twisting arm drag
the wall of pain AKA the big bonk

Kirk was really good with combos/transitions too. Kirk's wrist catch/pimp slap/front kiss was on par with Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira's triangle/armbar
Does Kirk ever do the forearm sucker punch?

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Janeway as she is a woman like me. As also she was fair. Did not like her at first but she had since developed.
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Picard but kirk a close second.


And whoever said Picard wasn't a tactician needs to go back and watch TNG. Dude was a bad ass tactician.
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