Chiefs LNBS: Can Alex Smith be "Fixed"? - Page 20

**BossChief** · 01-16-2015, 10:40 PM

Part of me wants to think so.

We saw flashes in 2013 of him testing defenses downfield and being a lot more than a game manager.

Then his OL got severely downgraded through 3 big losses in free agency (all 3 got overpaid) and his 2 guards weren't even nfl quality, let alone starter quality.

His receivers needed a major upgrade last offseason (they were an obvious team weakness) and other than adding Jason Avant late in the year and developing a promising rookie in Albert Wilson...not a whole lot was done to help provide Alex Smith with adequate weapons. Losing Avery to injury further weakened an already subpar unit.

Here's my question:

If they improve the OL and receivers...will we see Alex Smith come out of his shell again (like we saw flashes of in the second half of 2013)?

If he does, how far can this team go if the defense plays like it has and Dee Ford steps into Hali's shoes adequately?

ThaVirus · 01-17-2015, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Luck just did that this year and Tannehill appears to be that caliber as well.

I'm aware.

You initially said you didn't want a 1st round guy that gave you Smith results. Honestly, out of a rookie that's exactly what you're going to get but at about $800k as opposed to $17 mil.

Then, you hope that he can develop into a 4k 30 TD guy like Luck has. Or win you a Super Bowl like Russell Wilson has..

Either way, what I'm getting at is that you shouldn't expect 4,000 yards and 30 TDs from a rookie. By his third year you can start to expect those kinds of results.

**cdcox** · 01-17-2015, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Anyone with any football knowledge at all knows we need OL help. If you think a "franchise QB" will win us anything with this OL you know nothing about football. It all starts in the trenches.

Name the great OL in the last 20 years and the championships they won with non-franchise QBs.

splatbass · 01-17-2015, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Name the great OL in the last 20 years and the championships they won with non-franchise QBs.

You know damn well that we lost in the playoffs with the #1 OL and the #1 offense in the league because our D sucked. It wasn't the fact that Trent Green was a retread or non-franchise QB. With even an average D we could have won the SB with Trent "retread" Green.

**cdcox** · 01-17-2015, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

You know damn well that we lost in the playoffs with the #1 OL and the #1 offense in the league because our D sucked. It wasn't the fact that Trent Green was a retread or non-franchise QB.

Certainly some other world class OL, with a second rate QB, happened to have an average defense compelling them to an NFL Championship at least once in the last 20 years.

**BossChief** · 01-17-2015, 10:19 PM

I don't want to hear anymore about how it's Andy Reid's fault Alex doesn't throw it downfield.

McNabb threw it down field all game every game. So did Vick and Foles.

Here are the amount of throws OVER 20 YARDS IN THE AIR, NOT YAC McNabb has each year.

04 71
05 38
06 47
07 43
08 62
09 48

Mike Vick threw 55 passes over 20 yards in the air in 2010 (in 12 games)
In 2011 he threw 50 in 13 games
He threw 42 in 2012 in 9 games

Then came Nick Foles who threw 27 passes over 20 yards in the air in 8 starts under Reid.

Alex Smith only threw 18 passes ALL YEAR that traveled 20 yards in the air or more.

18

I don't want to ever hear how that's Andy Reid's fault....or the offenses fault.

The offense is built to test defenses deep constantly.

**cdcox** · 01-17-2015, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Alex Smith only threw 18 passes ALL YEAR that traveled 20 yards in the air or more.

18

Not to mention zero TDs to WRs.

We have finally surpassed Marv Levy and the winged-T for having the most out dated offense in the NFL.

Thanks Alex.

BigCatDaddy · 01-17-2015, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I don't want to hear anymore about how it's Andy Reid's fault Alex doesn't throw it downfield.

McNabb threw it down field all game every game. So did Vick and Foles.

Here are the amount of throws OVER 20 YARDS IN THE AIR, NOT YAC McNabb has each year.

04 71
05 38
06 47
07 43
08 62
09 48

Mike Vick threw 55 passes over 20 yards in the air in 2010 (in 12 games)
In 2011 he threw 50 in 13 games
He threw 42 in 2012 in 9 games

Then came Nick Foles who threw 27 passes over 20 yards in the air in 8 starts under Reid.

Alex Smith only threw 18 passes ALL YEAR that traveled 20 yards in the air or more.

18

I don't want to ever hear how that's Andy Reid's fault....or the offenses fault.

The offense is built to test defenses deep constantly.

So that makes the real question.. 'Does Andy know he ****ed up and they do everything possible to get a replacement and/or Alex out of town, or does he go full Pioli and double down on a piss poor decision rather than own it and admit fault?"

**BossChief** · 01-17-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Not to mention zero TDs to WRs.

We have finally surpassed Marv Levy and the winged-T for having the most out dated offense in the NFL.

Thanks Alex.

It's not the offense.

I just showed that.

**BossChief** · 01-17-2015, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So that makes the real question.. 'Does Andy know he ****ed up and they do everything possible to get a replacement and/or Alex out of town, or does he go full Pioli and double down on a piss poor decision rather than own it and admit fault?"

Look at his history.

I wouldn't be shocked if we drafted a QB in the first this year.

He drafted Kolb when he already had McNabb

Drafted Foles when he had Vick playing at an MVP level.

**cdcox** · 01-17-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

It's not the offense.

I just showed that.

What part of "Thanks Alex" makes you think I put the blame anywhere but on his shoulders?

**BossChief** · 01-17-2015, 10:53 PM

The line above that describing the offense as outdated.

It's not the offense, it's the guy running it on the field.

No worries though. Were in agreement.

splatbass · 01-17-2015, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Certainly some other world class OL, with a second rate QB, happened to have an average defense compelling them to an NFL Championship at least once in the last 20 years.

Name one team with a bottom 5 OL that won a SB in the last 20 years.

ThaVirus · 01-17-2015, 11:05 PM

How do you rate "bottom 5"?

Saccopoo · 01-17-2015, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

How do you rate "bottom 5"?

Same way you rate "Top 5."

**cdcox** · 01-17-2015, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Name one team with a bottom 5 OL that won a SB in the last 20 years.

Average OL is good enough. Average QB is not.

01-16-2015, 10:40 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1864088	LNBS: Can Alex Smith be "Fixed"? Part of me wants to think so. We saw flashes in 2013 of him testing defenses downfield and being a lot more than a game manager. Then his OL got severely downgraded through 3 big losses in free agency (all 3 got overpaid) and his 2 guards weren't even nfl quality, let alone starter quality. His receivers needed a major upgrade last offseason (they were an obvious team weakness) and other than adding Jason Avant late in the year and developing a promising rookie in Albert Wilson...not a whole lot was done to help provide Alex Smith with adequate weapons. Losing Avery to injury further weakened an already subpar unit. Here's my question: If they improve the OL and receivers...will we see Alex Smith come out of his shell again (like we saw flashes of in the second half of 2013)? If he does, how far can this team go if the defense plays like it has and Dee Ford steps into Hali's shoes adequately?
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01-17-2015, 10:19 PM	#290
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1864088	I don't want to hear anymore about how it's Andy Reid's fault Alex doesn't throw it downfield. McNabb threw it down field all game every game. So did Vick and Foles. Here are the amount of throws OVER 20 YARDS IN THE AIR, NOT YAC McNabb has each year. 04 71 05 38 06 47 07 43 08 62 09 48 Mike Vick threw 55 passes over 20 yards in the air in 2010 (in 12 games) In 2011 he threw 50 in 13 games He threw 42 in 2012 in 9 games Then came Nick Foles who threw 27 passes over 20 yards in the air in 8 starts under Reid. Alex Smith only threw 18 passes ALL YEAR that traveled 20 yards in the air or more. 18 I don't want to ever hear how that's Andy Reid's fault....or the offenses fault. The offense is built to test defenses deep constantly. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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01-17-2015, 10:53 PM	#296
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1864088	The line above that describing the offense as outdated. It's not the offense, it's the guy running it on the field. No worries though. Were in agreement. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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01-17-2015, 11:05 PM	#298
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