Chiefs Why should Reid return next year? - Page 8

Eleazar · 12-03-2017, 03:34 PM

It's been 5 years now, and we are no closer to the Super Bowl than when he arrived. The team has 0 meaningful postseason wins. We have one of the worst defenses in the league. We have precious little on offense. It's an undisciplined, soft, prideless team. This is the same mediocre turdstorm year in and year out.

Why should Reid return, other than CHunt making him king last year?

TwistedChief · 12-04-2017, 03:50 AM

I sat next to the fake Andy Reid at the game yesterday and he told me he would've started Mahomes. He also wasn't in favor of making Cam Erving an integral part of the offense.

Is it time to start flying banners? Or are you guys envisioning something like the movie Dave where we replace real Reid with fake Reid and hope people just don't notice because the Chiefs are winning?

**The Bad Guy** · 12-04-2017, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Hindsight being 2020 and all, I think they should have tried to trade Alex and just rolled with Mahomes this year. Once they made the trade, then asked the players to trust a qb you yourself don’t trust.

Rough

I don't believe that at all. If Alex was 25, yes, I could see how that could be a narrative. But I don't think trust in Alex is the reason they drafted Mahomes. Protecting the future with a player they loved is why they made that move.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-04-2017, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There was absolutely no way that Reid was going into the season with a kid three years removed from high school as his QB.

Save for a few weeks, the offense has been good enough to win. It was good enough to win today and it was good enough to win at the Raiders.

Had the defense not shit the bed in both games, the Chiefs would be 8-4 at this point instead of 6-6.

This season's failings lie solely on the defense.

Teams can't give up 30, 28 and 38 and expect to win. The problem, unlike with the offense, is that there is no solution in 2017. There isn't a "hidden gem" or a player that's suddenly going to start taking over games.

They're cooked because they can't defend the run or the pass.

Couldn't agree more.

The Chiefs can't defend slant patterns. Slant patterns in 2017 they can't cover.

Eleazar · 12-04-2017, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

You think Clark Hunt spent a boatload on this coaching staff and front office to make sure fans are in the seats?

The Clark hate is completely laughable. Complain about the depth, athleticism on defense and overall direction of the team, but Clark Hunt has poured resources in.

Clark definitely wants to win and is willing to spend to do so. The problem is that he keeps hiring the wrong people and is too slow to make a change when it's obvious one is needed.

Bewbies · 12-04-2017, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Hindsight being 2020 and all, I think they should have tried to trade Alex and just rolled with Mahomes this year. Once they made the trade, then asked the players to trust a qb you yourself don’t trust.

Rough

Here on Chiefsplanet hindsight is always 50/50.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 12-04-2017, 07:35 AM

Reids never lost a SB since he's been here.

Calcountry · 12-04-2017, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

It's been 5 years now, and we are no closer to the Super Bowl than when he arrived. The team has 0 meaningful postseason wins. We have one of the worst defenses in the league. We have precious little on offense. It's an undisciplined, soft, prideless team. This is the same mediocre turdstorm year in and year out.

Why should Reid return, other than CHunt making him king last year?

To do a nutrisystem commercial with Dan Marino.

Molitoth · 12-04-2017, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D

Do the Chiefs have the worst DC/Scheme in the NFL?

Fixed. yes.

**Lzen** · 12-04-2017, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gold_and_red

I understand Clark does not have the fortitude to fire Reid at the end of this season (though he should IMHO).

It took about 3-4 years after McNabb was drafted for Reid to start having real success. Given where our D is today I expect a few years of mediocrity or even below average results before we are back to relevance and this is assuming that Mahomes is the answer. So why not just start over with a new staff?

I agree that some changes need to be made, but let's at least get the facts straight. McNabb didn't start until halfway through his rookie year in 1999. His first full season as a starter (2000) he led the team to a 11-5 record and a Wild Card round victory over the Buccaneers. The next season he took the team to the NFC Championship game.

Jerm · 12-04-2017, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

They need new life in the defensive meeting rooms. That entire d staff has basically been there 5 years. They haven't developed many pieces at all on that side of the ball.

He has to fire Sutton this off-season and bring in all new position coaches.

I guess this is the big question huh...will Reid/Veatch actually make the changes needed?

The way the season is going may force their hand to the point of no return but I just don't know if Andy will do it or not....

**Lzen** · 12-04-2017, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Right.

Because I'm sure he's NEVER told his players about that rule, nor has told them to stop taking the kickoff out of the endzone...

Actually, I'm certain that Toub either tells his players to take it out of the end zone or at least encourages it. I don't know why people bitch about this every week. It has been that way since Toub arrived. And until recently it has been a strategy that has paid dividends.

**Lzen** · 12-04-2017, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Andy Reid has had one Super Bowl appearance in 18 years of Head Coach.

Marty Shottenheimer got fired after going 14-2 and lose in the playoffs for the Chargers.

And what have the Chargers accomplished since firing Marty? Careful what you wish for.

**ChiTown** · 12-04-2017, 09:36 AM

Reid can come back if he fires Sutton immediately after the season. **** that guy and his schemes. He is awful!

If Sutton comes back, then Reid can get ****ed too

**Lzen** · 12-04-2017, 09:44 AM

I am okay with bringing Reid back but Clark needs to force his hand with certain position coaches and especially Sutton. Look at what the Saints have done. That's what the Chiefs could and should do next season.

Eleazar · 12-04-2017, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

I am okay with bringing Reid back but Clark needs to force his hand with certain position coaches and especially Sutton. Look at what the Saints have done. That's what the Chiefs could and should do next season.

Actually, even though I am a Reid detractor, I think this is the wrong approach.

The owner either trusts his man or he doesn't. You let the head coach do his job his way. He makes his own personnel decisions, and you judge him on results. He gives you what you want or you let him go. You don't start telling him who to hire and fire for his coaching staff. The owner should not be micromanaging him.

Either you, as the owner, are happy with the direction of the team and you retain the head coach, or you fire him and move on.

Unfortunately Clark has set up this nonsense arrangement where the head coach doesn't report to the GM and so there's no accountability for the head coach to a superior who's a 'football guy'. Reid is only accountable to CHunt who is a business guy.

12-03-2017, 03:34 PM
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Why should Reid return next year? It's been 5 years now, and we are no closer to the Super Bowl than when he arrived. The team has 0 meaningful postseason wins. We have one of the worst defenses in the league. We have precious little on offense. It's an undisciplined, soft, prideless team. This is the same mediocre turdstorm year in and year out. Why should Reid return, other than CHunt making him king last year?
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TwistedChief Why so serious? Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Chicago Casino cash: $2360415	I sat next to the fake Andy Reid at the game yesterday and he told me he would've started Mahomes. He also wasn't in favor of making Cam Erving an integral part of the offense. Is it time to start flying banners? Or are you guys envisioning something like the movie Dave where we replace real Reid with fake Reid and hope people just don't notice because the Chiefs are winning?
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Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1620477	Reids never lost a SB since he's been here.
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ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $3213962	Reid can come back if he fires Sutton immediately after the season. ** that guy and his schemes. He is awful! If Sutton comes back, then Reid can get **ed too __________________
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Lzen Supporter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Jan Quadrant Vincent 16 Casino cash: $2170692	I am okay with bringing Reid back but Clark needs to force his hand with certain position coaches and especially Sutton. Look at what the Saints have done. That's what the Chiefs could and should do next season. __________________ If at first you don't succeed ...skydiving is not for you.
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