Looks like Spagnuolo [favorite for] DC

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Former Giants’ DC and HC Steve Spagnuolo has emerged as the favorite to replace Bob Sutton as the Chiefs’ defensive coordinator, per sources.

Spagnuolo and Andy Reid worked together in Philadelphia, share the same agent and have a mutual respect for each other’s work.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 23, 2019

The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 24, 2019

[WarChiefs89]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Let's just all agree he's better than Bob Sutton and with a little bit more talent can get us into a top 16, middle of the pack defense.

That's what matters.

This.

We all wanted Sutton gone and now he is. I'm willing to give Spags (assuming he's really the guy) 3 picks in the top 2 rounds and the first 10 games to start the season to see what he can get this group to do. It's gonna take some time if we are changing schemes. If we are still 28th or worse going into the last quarter of the year, then I'll start complaining. Until that happens we are all guessing.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

What would this guy have done different on Sunday?

If he can convenience me that he could of stopped Brady in the end, then I would agree to have him hired...

Need facts, not message board hearsay.

Otherwise one mans trash is another mans rehashed trash...

A couple off the cuff thoughts:

1) He's a cover 3 guy vs. a cover 2 guy. The cover 2 just got absolutely abused, especially in those last few drives where Brady was just massacring the middle of the field. The Cover 3 plays a lot like a Cover 1 with a little more of a disguised look so it does a better job keeping that middle closed off and gives the FS a little more latitude in breaking on those seam and quick slant routes that were destroying those 2-high man looks we were giving.

I mean maybe Brady adjusts and Belichick works more out routes to deal with the less aggressive CB play that you generally see in the cover 3 looks, but if you want to say "well BB would've just adjusted" then there's literally no answer anyone can give you that you'd listen 2.

2) He's also said to be more aggressive in his defensive backfields. One thing I noticed is that the Chiefs didn't seem to switch often at all in their assignments. They'd stay in a lock and end up getting beat to death by rub routes, etc... Now the counter to that is that we don't switch because we suck at it but it's also a possibility that we suck at it because we just don't do it very often. All those times that we looked confused as hell trying to pass off coverage could've been alleviated if it was just something the D did more often and were more comfortable with. There were a couple really basic vert/post combos that we just didn't get covered because we were locked and our outside DB couldn't get around the inside guy, leaving the slant route open over the middle.

Those are just two basic ways that things that Spagnuolo is known for may have been more effective than simply sitting back in Cover 2 looks and getting gashed over the middle. Sutton looked to have spent much of that 4th quarter and virtually all of the OT period in borderline prevent because he just would not get out of those deep cover 2 shells that were leaving them free over the middle. If Spagnuolo's history is any indication, that wouldn't have been the case with him at DC.

[chiefforlife]

Guys, we were 12-4 with the worst D in the league. Even with that we were an offsides call away from a Superbowl!!

Bobs D was getting worse each year, players were lost, no adjustments to what an offense was doing.

We are going to be better no matter who we hire. Andy was never going to hire a young DC with no previous experience. He doesnt have anything to do with the Defensive side and thats no place to put a brand new DC.

Whomever we get will be better, thats all we were asking for, remember.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Chief Pote

Sounds like a good ole boy retread. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

Wade Phillips is a retread....

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Let's just all agree he's better than Bob Sutton and with a little bit more talent can get us into a top 16, middle of the pack defense.

That's what matters.

Look - I don't want to overplay my hand here (to whatever extent I haven't already). I do think he'll be better than Sutton and his more assertive attitude could help, at least in the short term (that kind of stuff can wear out its welcome over time). I'm not going to concede that he's going to turn this into a top 1/2 of the league unit when, frankly, he simply hasn't done that very often in his recent past.

But do I think we'll be sporting arguably the absolute worst defense in football next year? No, I don't. I just don't think it will be as good as it could be had we targeted a more dynamic hire.

If he gets us in the top 1/3 in yards, I'll be content. But honestly, I read enough 'bend but don't break' w/r/t his approach that I'm not confident there. And if it turns out that he's sitting at 12 in points going into the post-season but 22 in yards, I'm not going to have much more confidence in him to hold down a tested veteran QB with the game on the line than I was in Sutton.

So while I think he'll be better - unless he shows something that I just cannot see or find from him over his last several years - I simply don't think he'll be enough better to inspire confidence and we'll still remain one !@#$ing offside penalty away from watching our season vanish in the flip of a coin.

[Sassy Squatch]

Maybe McDermott shits the bed next year and we'll go get him.

[kcclone]

Originally Posted by chiefforlife

Guys, we were 12-4 with the worst D in the league. Even with that we were an offsides call away from a Superbowl!!

Bobs D was getting worse each year, players were lost, no adjustments to what an offense was doing.

We are going to be better no matter who we hire. Andy was never going to hire a young DC with no previous experience. He doesnt have anything to do with the Defensive side and thats no place to put a brand new DC.

Whomever we get will be better, thats all we were asking for, remember.

This is an important point. The trend was steady and persistently down in PPG and yards. We were entirely dependent on a Eric Berry to co-coordinate our DB's on the field.

Something had to be done. Will Spags be the answer? Hard to say, but Sutton had his chance.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

3-4 defense sucks ass. I ****ing hate that defense. Mainly because to make it work you have to have 330 pound fat ass who can dominate the middle. Very rare to find those.

Not necessarily, just a guy that can be disruptive as all ****. I would absolutely take a carbon copy of the Dallas 3-4 when they had Jay Ratilff as their nose, and he was sub 300. That defense was aggressive as hell and a turnover machine (IIRC, lol). Chris Jones could play that roll to a "T".

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Originally Posted by kcclone

Slow LB's are relics that really shouldn't play in any scheme nowadays.

He may be slow, but he's not very physical.

As long as Bob Sutton isn't our DC and Reggie Ragdoll isn't one of our starting linebackers, they could hire Lin Elliott to be our DC and I'd still be happy.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

No.
refer to Andy's comment about the future of NFL defense and how it's 'inside pressure'. The shortest distance to the QB. You do that out of an even front.

I think it's clear that Andy's been thinking about this.

It could well be that Reid and Veach were literally planning a 4-3 move for this offseason. Think about it; The picks match 4-3. (Speaks, Nnadi, O'Daniel) The big contracts that you can get out of June 1st. Ford's contract coming up. It's THE time to make a change if you're going to.

Agreed. Straight from the Horses' mouth, Reid thinks the 43 is the best D to defend today's offenses.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

yeah, I'm done arguing.

The trolls just see what they want to see.

Says the guy that is just handwaiving anything that's gone poorly over the last decade on this guys resume as 'just bad luck...'

You're no more above the fray here than anyone. If anybody's trying to argue that this guy is some kind of defensive mastermind, they have all of one season in his last 10 years where his coverage teams STILL got torched to back their play. That's absolutely 'seeing what you want to see'.

And you're also looking at this backwards. You're asking people to give you a reason NOT to hire him and despite the fact that a myriad of them have been provided, it's STILL flawed logic. The dude's presently unemployed and we have the only available DC job on the market. I don't need to give you a reason why we shouldn't hire the guy. You need to give me a reason why we should. Thus far all I'm getting are excuses as to why so many of his defenses were objectively shitty. I'm not getting many arguments as to why they will actually be good here.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Says the guy that is just handwaiving anything that's gone poorly over the last decade on this guys resume as 'just bad luck...'

You're no more above the fray here than anyone. If anybody's trying to argue that this guy is some kind of defensive mastermind, they have all of one season in his last 10 years where his coverage teams STILL got torched to back their play. That's absolutely 'seeing what you want to see'.

And you're also looking at this backwards. You're asking people to give you a reason NOT to hire him and despite the fact that a myriad of them have been provided, it's STILL flawed logic. The dude's presently unemployed and we have the only available DC job on the market. I don't need to give you a reason why we shouldn't hire the guy. You need to give me a reason why we should. Thus far all I'm getting are excuses as to why so many of his defenses were objectively shitty. I'm not getting many arguments as to why they will actually be good here.

I did. I gave stats, I gave background, links to articles detailing schematic concepts and discussed how they might apply to our current personnel. I even discussed why down seasons were down seasons and how situational circumstances were worth considering. If you see that as excuses I'd say that's coming from a predetermined bias and not fair evaluation. Any coach with a resume has some bad seasons on it. I'm not even on the SPAGS IS THE BEST EVER bandwagon. I just argued that it's a solid decision, all things considered and with who would be realistically available. I'd love Richard too, but the Cowboys aren't gonna let him get away. I do not want Rex Ryan. But whatever.

[BryanBusby]

I would take Rex Ryan before Spags, but neither one really are exciting hires. Rex Ryan has built a #1 Defense and Spags just hasn't (top 5 though), with some trash tiers mixed in.

[Chris Meck]

regardless, in the talent vs. scheme/coaching debate, scheme and coaching win.
All these guys are talented. I mean, a 1st round pick is a talented player. It's up to a coaching staff and their scheme to get the most of the players' talents.

Look at the Patriots-all those rings and how many of those players were truly great? A handful, that made their name with that team. A lot of cast-offs and over-the-hill guys that still had a little left in the tank but Belichick is a master at scheming guys into position where their skillsets can shine. They're never the most physically talented team, just the best coached and well-schemed.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Look - I don't want to overplay my hand here (to whatever extent I haven't already). I do think he'll be better than Sutton and his more assertive attitude could help, at least in the short term (that kind of stuff can wear out its welcome over time). I'm not going to concede that he's going to turn this into a top 1/2 of the league unit when, frankly, he simply hasn't done that very often in his recent past.

But do I think we'll be sporting arguably the absolute worst defense in football next year? No, I don't. I just don't think it will be as good as it could be had we targeted a more dynamic hire.

If he gets us in the top 1/3 in yards, I'll be content. But honestly, I read enough 'bend but don't break' w/r/t his approach that I'm not confident there. And if it turns out that he's sitting at 12 in points going into the post-season but 22 in yards, I'm not going to have much more confidence in him to hold down a tested veteran QB with the game on the line than I was in Sutton.

So while I think he'll be better - unless he shows something that I just cannot see or find from him over his last several years - I simply don't think he'll be enough better to inspire confidence and we'll still remain one !@#$ing offside penalty away from watching our season vanish in the flip of a coin.

Kind of thinking about this last night, but once you get to the playoffs, how many actual defenses do you trust to shut down a tested vet qb?

I mean, we put 31 on the Hood in a half. I just don't know what you can do.