The most irrelevant team in the NFL

[a pp roach]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers

What a worthless franchise. Who even cares about them? They're probably happy I'm making a thread about them to remind you guys they exist.

Seriously, they were in the NFC Central because the NFL forgot about them when they were making the divisions and said **** it let's throw them in with the division nobody really cares about (besides the NFC east, which was already filled by their lack of caring about the Cardinals).

Now look at them. None of the teams in the NFC South even consider them a worthy rival. They're just that other team they have to play twice.

They only won a super bowl because the NFL hates the Raiders, which is the same reason New England won that year they played them in the AFCCG.

You're welcome, Buccaneers.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by 505 Chief

The Chiefs were relevant in the 90's. The culture that was created in that era( noise / fear of Arrowhwead as an opponent ) has somehow managed to limp along though the franchise has been a largely useless bag of dicks since about Herm-o-clock.

Well said.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

I preset to you, Exhibit A:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-down-at-games


Case closed.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

I preset to you, Exhibit A:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-down-at-games


Case closed.

Not every stadium is full of people who want to stand up for 3 hours. It doesn't make much sense anyway if you think about it.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by SNR

I've got a lot of problems with the "consistency towards winning" list. A team is either good or bad in any given year. Some teams are good season after season, but it takes years and years of winning and success to be considered one of those teams. Otherwise you're no better off than a team like the Falcons who apart from their Super Bowl loss in the 1998 season, sucked all throughout the 1990s and after that until 2009, where they made the playoffs in consecutive seasons and tanked in 2013.

So are the Falcons a team that consistently win? They didn't win shit last year, and they've only got ~5 good years to show for the last 20+ seasons. That's no more consistent than the Bengals, who you've listed as an irrelevant team, but have been in the playoffs for 3 straight seasons, and it appears they're about to go on their 4th. And the Giants have won 2 Super Bowls, but they're far from a team that CONSISTENTLY wins, since they're always good one year, then down the next. The only thing consistent about them is that they're consistently inconsistent.

Obviously the Seahawks are a model franchise right now. But going back to 2006, the year after they lost to the Steelers in the Super Bowl, they've only had a winning record 2 times (the past two seasons). They were a very sudden good team that just sort of showed up one year and have been kicking ass ever since. They've been hot, red hot (a Super Bowl is pretty damn hot), but does that excuse that they've still only been good for a short period of recent football history?

That's what I mean. Good is good. Bad is bad. A good team that doesn't have a history of consistency shouldn't have to establish one just to become relevant.

Nothing says my list is without issue.

I stuck with the irrelevant word and yeah, the Bengals may be too good right now for that list - same with ATL.

I think you can look at 10-12 franchises pretty easily and say they've 'under performed' consistently for a decade. Is that better than saying they consistently win?

If a team sucks more often than not for an extended amount of time - they likely have a minimal fan base, can't sell tickets and nobody talks about them. That would be irrelevant to me.

That's why I was hesitant to put KC on there - you guys are diehards, I run into KC fans everywhere - it's like Packer fans.

I suppose it falls back to the definition of irrelevant.

SNR, you closed out your comment with "A good team that doesn't have a history of consistency shouldn't have to establish one just to become relevant."

So, if the Jags go on a tear and win 10 games - are they relevant? Possibly, for that year, but they'll likely suck again if history is an indicator.

I think there are a lot of teams that can contend for most irrelevant... and I think some teams carry higher expectations (right or wrong) that put them into that category.

Bears, Lions, Bengals, Falcons - sure they're all teams that have been relevant lately, to a degree - but they're just there... they look good, then look bad - they have great names... but they don't do anything great consistently at all. I think that's why there are low expectations for teams like that... people aren't shocked when they fail. Means they're borderline irrelevant, no?

[Chiefshrink]

All small market teams are irrelevant regardless of record. What, about 25 teams ?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

All small market teams are irrelevant regardless of record. What, about 25 teams ?

Not true. I found this link - someone ranked the teams by nfl market.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments...a_market_size/

1) New York Giants / Jets 22421 New York, Hartford-New Haven1 , Wilkes-Barre--Scranton
2) Oakland Raiders / San Francisco 49ers 10645 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, Monterey-Salinas
3) Chicago Bears 10606 Chicago, South Bend-Elkhart, Rockford
4) New England Patriots 9684 Boston (Manchester), Hartford-New Haven1 , Providence-New Bedford, Springfield-Holyoke
5) Philadelphia Eagles 8688 Philadelphia, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2
6) Carolina Panthers 8152 Charlotte, Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson, Greensboro--High Point--Wiston-Salem, Columbia
7) Dallas Cowboys 8071 Dallas-Fort Worth, Waco-Temple-Bryan, Sherman-Ada
8) Detroit Lions 8032 Detroit, Flint-Saginaw-Bay City, Toledo, Lansing, Windsor
9) Atlanta Falcons 6462 Atlanta, Macon
10) Houston Texans 6452 Houston, Beaumont-Port Arthur
11) Washington Redskins 5853 Washington (Hagerstown)
12) Miami Dolphins 5722 Miami-Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce
13) Minnesota Vikings 5073 Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Rochester-Mason City-Austin, Mankato
14) Cleveland Browns 4794 Cleveland-Akron (Canton), Youngstown
15) Denver Broncos 4727 Denver, Colorado Springs-Pueblo
16) Cincinnati Bengals 4666 Cincinnati, Dayton, Lexington
17) Seattle Seahawks4 4565 Seattle-Tacoma
18) Arizona Cardinals 4438 Phoenix (Prescott)
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4417 Tampa-Saint Petersburg (Sarasota), Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
20) Pittsburgh Steelers 4396 Pittsburgh, Johnstown-Altoona-State College, Wheeling-Steubenville, Clarksburg-Weston
21) Baltimore Ravens 4248 Baltimore, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2 , Salisbury
22) Green Bay Packers5 4186 Milwaukee, Green Bay-Appleton, Madison
23) Saint Louis Rams 3986 Saint Louis, Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
24) Jacksonville Jaguars 3660 Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
25) Indianapolis Colts 3266 Indianapolis, Terre Haute, Lafayette
26) Buffalo Bills6 2990 Buffalo, Rochester, Erie
27) Kansas City Chiefs 2903 Kansas City, Topeka, Saint Joseph
28) San Diego Chargers 2683 San Diego7
29) Tennessee Titans 2667 Nashville, Bowling Green
30) New Orleans Saints 2635 New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Biloxi-Gulfport

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by lewdog

The Bucs won a Superbowl in our lifetime.

Name the last Chiefs coach or winning team that anyone remembers?

1. The Chiefs won a SB in my lifetime.

2. I don't live anywhere near KC, and I talk to people from all over the country every day (I work for the military), and everyone old enough remembers Vermiel and the Marty era. And the old farts my age remember Stram. No reason for you to be so insecure, the Chiefs aren't forgotten.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Not true.

You watch. If the Chiefs beat Brady this Mon nite in Arrowhead it will all be about what's wrong with Tom and the Pats since they lost to a 2nd string of duct tape players holding the team together. As opposed to look at the upcoming young talent of the Chiefs and maybe they aren't as bad off as we thought.

Big markets and premier QBs of which is really your point of which KC does not have a premier QB.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Not true. I found this link - someone ranked the teams by nfl market.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments...a_market_size/

1) New York Giants / Jets 22421 New York, Hartford-New Haven1 , Wilkes-Barre--Scranton
2) Oakland Raiders / San Francisco 49ers 10645 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, Monterey-Salinas
3) Chicago Bears 10606 Chicago, South Bend-Elkhart, Rockford
4) New England Patriots 9684 Boston (Manchester), Hartford-New Haven1 , Providence-New Bedford, Springfield-Holyoke
5) Philadelphia Eagles 8688 Philadelphia, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2
6) Carolina Panthers 8152 Charlotte, Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson, Greensboro--High Point--Wiston-Salem, Columbia
7) Dallas Cowboys 8071 Dallas-Fort Worth, Waco-Temple-Bryan, Sherman-Ada
8) Detroit Lions 8032 Detroit, Flint-Saginaw-Bay City, Toledo, Lansing, Windsor
9) Atlanta Falcons 6462 Atlanta, Macon
10) Houston Texans 6452 Houston, Beaumont-Port Arthur
11) Washington Redskins 5853 Washington (Hagerstown)
12) Miami Dolphins 5722 Miami-Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce
13) Minnesota Vikings 5073 Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Rochester-Mason City-Austin, Mankato
14) Cleveland Browns 4794 Cleveland-Akron (Canton), Youngstown
15) Denver Broncos 4727 Denver, Colorado Springs-Pueblo
16) Cincinnati Bengals 4666 Cincinnati, Dayton, Lexington
17) Seattle Seahawks4 4565 Seattle-Tacoma
18) Arizona Cardinals 4438 Phoenix (Prescott)
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4417 Tampa-Saint Petersburg (Sarasota), Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
20) Pittsburgh Steelers 4396 Pittsburgh, Johnstown-Altoona-State College, Wheeling-Steubenville, Clarksburg-Weston
21) Baltimore Ravens 4248 Baltimore, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2 , Salisbury
22) Green Bay Packers5 4186 Milwaukee, Green Bay-Appleton, Madison
23) Saint Louis Rams 3986 Saint Louis, Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
24) Jacksonville Jaguars 3660 Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
25) Indianapolis Colts 3266 Indianapolis, Terre Haute, Lafayette
26) Buffalo Bills6 2990 Buffalo, Rochester, Erie
27) Kansas City Chiefs 2903 Kansas City, Topeka, Saint Joseph
28) San Diego Chargers 2683 San Diego7
29) Tennessee Titans 2667 Nashville, Bowling Green
30) New Orleans Saints 2635 New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Biloxi-Gulfport

Not talking population here. I am talking about Sports Media attention.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

You watch. If the Chiefs beat Brady this Mon nite in Arrowhead it will all be about what's wrong with Tom and the Pats since they lost to a 2nd string of duct tape players holding the team together. As opposed to look at the upcoming young talent of the Chiefs and maybe they aren't as bad off as we thought.

Big markets and premier QBs of which is really your point of which KC does not have a premier QB.

I guess it depends on how the game is won or lost. If KC dominates them and really looks good, I think you'll hear positive things. If Brady and the team limp through, making dumb mistakes and KC squeaks out a win... yeah, you'll be right.

Last year, KC was getting all sorts of love... until they finally lost their first game and the bottom fell out.

[CapsLockKey]

Detroit. That franchise has been a joke for decades. I can't think of a more underachieving franchise. They had arguably the greatest RB of all time and did absolutely nothing. Now they have Megatron and big name talent all over the place and they continue to lay eggs. Chicago and Green Bay were practically handing the division to them on a platter last season and they still couldn't do anything of significance other than generate negative headlines.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by CapsLockKey

Detroit. That franchise has been a joke for decades. I can't think of a more underachieving franchise. They had the arguably the greatest RB of all time and did absolutely nothing. Now they have Megatron and big name talent all over the place and they continue to lay eggs. Chicago and Green Bay were practically handing the division to them on a platter last season and they still couldn't do anything of significance other than generate negative headlines.

Has anyone ever met someone that claimed to be a Lions' fan? I honestly think that may be the only team where I can't name someone I know that likes them.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Has anyone ever met someone that claimed to be a Lions' fan? I honestly think that may be the only team where I can't name someone I know that likes them.

A close friend of mine is a Lions fan. You must not get out much.

[Strongside]

I'd have to go with either Carolina or Jacksonville, but Tampa is up there.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Not true. I found this link - someone ranked the teams by nfl market.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments...a_market_size/

1) New York Giants / Jets 22421 New York, Hartford-New Haven1 , Wilkes-Barre--Scranton
2) Oakland Raiders / San Francisco 49ers 10645 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, Monterey-Salinas
3) Chicago Bears 10606 Chicago, South Bend-Elkhart, Rockford
4) New England Patriots 9684 Boston (Manchester), Hartford-New Haven1 , Providence-New Bedford, Springfield-Holyoke
5) Philadelphia Eagles 8688 Philadelphia, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2
6) Carolina Panthers 8152 Charlotte, Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson, Greensboro--High Point--Wiston-Salem, Columbia
7) Dallas Cowboys 8071 Dallas-Fort Worth, Waco-Temple-Bryan, Sherman-Ada
8) Detroit Lions 8032 Detroit, Flint-Saginaw-Bay City, Toledo, Lansing, Windsor
9) Atlanta Falcons 6462 Atlanta, Macon
10) Houston Texans 6452 Houston, Beaumont-Port Arthur
11) Washington Redskins 5853 Washington (Hagerstown)
12) Miami Dolphins 5722 Miami-Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce
13) Minnesota Vikings 5073 Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Rochester-Mason City-Austin, Mankato
14) Cleveland Browns 4794 Cleveland-Akron (Canton), Youngstown
15) Denver Broncos 4727 Denver, Colorado Springs-Pueblo
16) Cincinnati Bengals 4666 Cincinnati, Dayton, Lexington
17) Seattle Seahawks4 4565 Seattle-Tacoma
18) Arizona Cardinals 4438 Phoenix (Prescott)
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4417 Tampa-Saint Petersburg (Sarasota), Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
20) Pittsburgh Steelers 4396 Pittsburgh, Johnstown-Altoona-State College, Wheeling-Steubenville, Clarksburg-Weston
21) Baltimore Ravens 4248 Baltimore, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2 , Salisbury
22) Green Bay Packers5 4186 Milwaukee, Green Bay-Appleton, Madison
23) Saint Louis Rams 3986 Saint Louis, Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
24) Jacksonville Jaguars 3660 Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
25) Indianapolis Colts 3266 Indianapolis, Terre Haute, Lafayette
26) Buffalo Bills6 2990 Buffalo, Rochester, Erie
27) Kansas City Chiefs 2903 Kansas City, Topeka, Saint Joseph
28) San Diego Chargers 2683 San Diego7
29) Tennessee Titans 2667 Nashville, Bowling Green
30) New Orleans Saints 2635 New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Biloxi-Gulfport

I am guessing that only includes the US market. Buffalo has Toronto-Hamilton, New England has Montreal, and Seattle has Vancouver. All big cities in Canada.

They are also missing a lot of cities in the US. Seattle's market includes Portland and Boise. Washington includes Richmond and Norfolk, VA. New Orleans is basically all of Louisiana and central to western Mississippi. Philly has Trenton, Camden, and Cherry Hill NJ.