Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 23

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

**007** · 03-05-2013, 02:06 AM

What are our glaring holes? I see QB and CB.

I mean GLARING not just tiny little holes. heh

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Faid gave a 1st and a 2nd for Palmer, so drafting Geno at 1 and spending a 2nd on Smith isn't too bad. Sounds pretty smart in today's game to hedge your bets and use resources on the most important position.

At that point, you're heading into the 2013 season with same glaring weakness as the 2012 team that went 2-14 - safety, cornerback, ILB, WR, DE and depth and pinning your immediate hope that Alex Smith is a difference maker.

That's a huge risk and if it doesn't work, Arrowhead will be empty by November.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Or hell Albert could be traded, people are still going to mock Joeckel to the Chiefs I guarantee it.

THIS I could see, and I mentioned it earlier.

They trade Albert to get back 80% of the Smith compensation and then take Joeckel but at least have something to show for Albert rather than nothing.

Hell, they could probably get a late 1st for Albert if they played their cards right.

I'm hoping this isn't the case but this is the only realistic scenario for Joeckel now.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

To cut him or move him to guard or move Albert to guard...probably Winston since he'd probably do it to keep the contract where Albert would bitch.

Winston is a top 10 RT and in 2011 was named the #1 overall RT

Asamoah is a top 10 guard no need to move him. He is a bright spot for years to come.

Hudson is a solid center can improve a little but decent.

Allen was named to the all rookie team and was graded in the top 10 in the last 8 games.

Albert is a top 10 LT and will be here for years to come.

Our line is set we just need depth!!

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

dude we've invested three 2nd's in guards (Hudson, Asamoah, Allen)...and another 3rd on an OT (Stephenson)...

and we invested a fair contract for another RT (Winston)

PRETTY SURE we're now set at OL

And different regimes like different guys so...

Just saying there's a pretty good chance you'll still see Joeckel get mocked here. That or Star whatshisnut.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 02:07 AM

I just do not want to see any OL picks this draft. Period.

Maybe a guard in the late rounds.

Maybe.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's a huge risk and if it doesn't work, Arrowhead will be empty by November.

well in fairiness

who at #1 is going to CHANGE this THIS year.

there is no Calvin Johnson and I don't think Star Loutituuata is going to fill seats at Arrowhead if we are terrible.

**007** · 03-05-2013, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

At that point, you're heading into the 2013 season with same glaring weakness as the 2012 team that went 2-14 - safety, cornerback, ILB, WR, DE and depth and pinning your immediate hope that Alex Smith is a difference maker.

That's a huge risk and if it doesn't work, Arrowhead will be empty by November.

Shit, didn't think we had THAT many glaring holes.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

What are our glaring holes? I see QB and CB.

I mean GLARING not just tiny little holes. heh

Cornerback, safety, ILB, DE and defensive depth. Only one proven and effective WR, one tight end (whose health is always questionable), lack of depth at running back and QB.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And different regimes like different guys so...

sure but Pioli literally invested EVERYTHING into his lines...

I personally think our interior line (the Pioli guys) have tons of potential.

There is literally not a single reason to draft any OL in any round this year. We have PLENTY. We can sign cheap depth at the center position.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-05-2013, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

At that point, you're heading into the 2013 season with same glaring weakness as the 2012 team that went 2-14 - safety, cornerback, ILB, WR, DE and depth and pinning your immediate hope that Alex Smith is a difference maker.

That's a huge risk and if it doesn't work, Arrowhead will be empty by November.

Yes, but you are improving (possibly greatly) the most glaring weakness and the most important position on the field in the short and long terms. You can afford to be a bit light in some of those other spots.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:09 AM

I want Zach Ertz from Stanford with our trade down pick we get when we trade out of #1...around #25 or so. We need to get to #25 one way or the other to get this guy. He's the next Witten.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 02:10 AM

This team also has to sign a top flight receiving TE, Alex Smith basically would have died without Vernon Davis.

**007** · 03-05-2013, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Yes, but you are improving (possibly greatly) the most glaring weakness and the most important position on the field in the short and long terms. You can afford to be a bit light in some of those other spots.

Alex Smith? No.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Alex Smith? No.

Thats why you sign a Jared Cook.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4363447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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