Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 79

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Imon Yourside · 10-29-2018, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Wait a minute. You're telling me players actually CAN update the media about how their rehab is going.

https://www.chargers.com/news/joey-b...-injury-update

Joey Bosa stood in the center of the Chargers locker room on Monday, fielding questions for 12 minutes from a throng of reporters.

Everyone wanted to know how the star defensive end’s foot was feeling as it’s kept him sidelined since the start of the season.

Bosa was eager to provide an update.

Number 99 listed a litany of reasons why he is more confident than ever regarding his return while also explaining why he won’t put an exact timetable on it. Overall, the past few weeks have been big for Bosa as he’s ramped up his rehab.

“(It’s) the first time that I’m really making some strides to get out on the field,” he said. “It’s been a slow progression ever since I left. We kind of started from square one, literally walking on the field. You have to walk before you run. I know it’s kind of silly, but it’s kind of how it goes. It’s simple walking. Toe walks. Heel walks. Rising up on my toes. It’s just been a very slow progression.”

Thus, you can see why Bosa was so excited to ramp up his activity.

“It was my first day in cleats,” he said. “I actually got in some three-point stances. I’ve been running straight ahead. The fastest times I’ve run yet. I’m feeling good. Straight ahead is really good right now. Not much discomfort. It’s definitely been something that’s tough to deal with; managing but not pushing it too hard, and not being able to get any quality work in the next day because of it being too sore.”

Maybe Berry can take a break from taking a break and explain why the **** he's been day to day for almost 3 months.

Reid has been using terms like day to day and close what more do you want? it's obvious Berry is little pinky close to being back.

Titty Meat · 10-29-2018, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Is it as embarrassing as an NFL player making 13 million per season sitting out because of a pump bump? I don't think so.

Hey Dr.Dumbass have you seen his medical report? Is it from shoes or is there some sort degernative condition with the achillies that's caused it? How has he responded to treatment?

You have none of the answers to these questions. For someone who was begging the mods to have a thread moved off the front page you of all people have no business calling someone with a poorly understood injury a pussy.

O.city · 10-29-2018, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Hey Dr.Dumbass have you seen his medical report? Is it from shoes or is there some sort degernative condition with the achillies that's caused it? How has he responded to treatment?

You have none of the answers to these questions. For someone who was begging the mods to have a thread moved off the front page you of all people have no business calling someone with a poorly understood injury a pussy.

The chiefs leaked to the media they thought he’d be back by Jacksonville. Obviously they thought he was responding ok.

If it’s degenerative why not Ir him?

Titty Meat · 10-29-2018, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The chiefs leaked to the media they thought he’d be back by Jacksonville. Obviously they thought he was responding ok.

If it’s degenerative why not Ir him?

No idea. You think if they thought he was milking it he would be allowed to be on the sidelines and even travel with the team?

htismaqe · 10-29-2018, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Technically there is no difference. You can play on a broken leg if you can handle the pain.

Incorrect. There is zero chance that Berry is risking further injury by playing. That appeared in more than one article on the subject.

There absolutely IS a difference.

O.city · 10-29-2018, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

No idea. You think if they thought he was milking it he would be allowed to be on the sidelines and even travel with the team?

Not sure.

Don’t really know what else they can do though.

htismaqe · 10-29-2018, 08:17 PM

It's not a degenerative condition. It's not even the Achilles anyway. He has a bone spur on his heel.

It really isn't that hard to understand. The team thought he'd be ready to go, Eric Berry doesn't feel the same.

It is what it is. He isn't a pussy, they aren't to blame. It's an unfortunate set of circumstances but that's all it is - circumstantial.

Titty Meat · 10-29-2018, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Not sure.

Don’t really know what else they can do though.

Nothing they can do but wait it out. I understand why fans are frustrated but theres literally nothing else to do besides wait it out. Some have called him out and that's bullshit.

Titty Meat · 10-29-2018, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's not a degenerative condition. It's not even the Achilles anyway. He has a bone spur on his heel.

It really isn't that hard to understand. The team thought he'd be ready to go, Eric Berry doesn't feel the same.

It is what it is. He isn't a pussy, they aren't to blame. It's an unfortunate set of circumstances but that's all it is - circumstantial.

The frustration with the team comes from how past injuries were dealt with and talked about. Maybe the Chiefs doctor thinks one thing but Berrys says something different. This isnt exactly new he didnt play pre season games in 14' IIRC because of a heel and missed a significant part of the year prior to his diagnosis. This isnt a normal 29 year old either lots of factors come into play.

Pasta Little Brioni · 10-29-2018, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Bullshit

Dumbass

Pasta Little Brioni · 10-29-2018, 09:48 PM

The ones calling him a pussy probably call in to work with a cold or some shit

Chief Roundup · 10-29-2018, 10:00 PM

So there was all off season. Berry shows up for TC. Practices very little and is held out. He has now been "staying off of it" to rest it hoping it would "heal itself enough to be tolerably painful". It has now been almost 3 months.
When will there be enough time pass that it will be obvious to Berry and the Chiefs that it is not going to be tolerable, ever?

Chief Roundup · 10-29-2018, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

The ones calling him a pussy probably call in to work with a cold or some shit

I don't think that anyone really thinks he is a pussy.
Fans are frustrated with the situation and the way the situation is and has been being handled by Berry and the Chiefs organization.
We are now to the point to where he could have had the surgery and been close to coming back. That would be a lot more understandable than this day to day situation for months now.

**chiefforlife** · 10-29-2018, 10:12 PM

Day to Day, means he is so close, it could be tomorrow.

How the **** could someone be day to day for MONTHS!!

I think Berry should do press conference and tell the fans whats happening, for real.

That would go a long way with us, his team mates and the organization. If you are a leader, stand up and lead, tell us what is going on and when you will play.

ku_jhawk23 · 10-29-2018, 10:34 PM

A Haglund's is not just a "bone spur" as some like to call it. I have a heel spur, its on the bottom middle of my heel. It triggered plantar fasciitis. I got some custom insoles made, and the pain went away in a week.

A Haglund's is a spur rubbing against the achilles. It can be very painful, and since Berry already ruptured an achilles, he's probably worried about it happening again. It's possible he has this in both ankles, and it helped cause his rupture last year.

I think the Chiefs really screwed this up. He should have underwent surgery to remove the spur immediately. It takes longer to heel than "hoping the pain goes away" but it can fix it long term. I'd rather he be sitting out now, knowing what is going on, than wondering if we will see him again. He could have been put on the PUP to start at least, and we could have had someone in here to get some reps.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1806899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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ku_jhawk23 Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $7664910	A Haglund's is not just a "bone spur" as some like to call it. I have a heel spur, its on the bottom middle of my heel. It triggered plantar fasciitis. I got some custom insoles made, and the pain went away in a week. A Haglund's is a spur rubbing against the achilles. It can be very painful, and since Berry already ruptured an achilles, he's probably worried about it happening again. It's possible he has this in both ankles, and it helped cause his rupture last year. I think the Chiefs really screwed this up. He should have underwent surgery to remove the spur immediately. It takes longer to heel than "hoping the pain goes away" but it can fix it long term. I'd rather he be sitting out now, knowing what is going on, than wondering if we will see him again. He could have been put on the PUP to start at least, and we could have had someone in here to get some reps.
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