Dave Grohl - bad ass

[Lzen]

http://www.axs.com/news/foo-fighters...-playing-57730

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Dave is awesome.

I'm convinced that he's the reason for Nirvana's success, not Cokehead.

Dude. I can't even...

Dude.

[KCUnited]

RIP Nirvana

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by frankotank

I won't swear to it....but I think Dane had some negative things to say.

I don't have anything personally negative to say about Dave. He's a very nice guy to everyone that I know and when I've run into him, he's always been super cool. He even let my 3 year old daughter, at the time, strum one of his guitars because the Foo's were/are her favorite band.

But where Dave has lost me over the years (and I'm certainly not the only one) is his duplicitous nature regarding the music industry. He's railed on people for not "keeping it real" and proclaiming he's recording to tape, just like the "old days" and that others should "get real" and make a record in their garage, just like he's done. He's also stated that people should just "give away their music for free", just to get people to come and see bands live, because that's "what it's all about".

Well, first off, Butch Vig may have recorded a few elements (drums, mostly) to tape but everything was simultaneously run to Pro Tools digitally and mixed with Pro Tools (and his vocals tuned as well). That's not "keeping it real", unless you're working in the 21st century, which is how everyone records. Anyone that records to tape is living in the past.

Secondly, not everyone lives in a $4 million dollar home with a massive garage that's been professionally treated and soundproofed. Furthermore, 99.99999% of the world can't afford to purchase a 56 channel Neve console or a newer API console that he used for Wasting Light, nor can they afford Butch Vig. On top of that, most records these days are being made sans a giant mixing console, whether it's an SSL, API or Neve because it's just no longer necessary due to software emulations of classic hardware and the amazing (and extremely affordable) Analog to Digital and Digital to Analog converters.

And lastly, the notion of "Giving it away for Free" is his most duplicitous in nature. Dave's worth more than $250 million dollars and they're arguably the biggest rock band in the world. If anyone can afford to "Give away their music for free", it's Dave and the Foo's. Yet, shortly after he made that statement, his new record, Sonic Highways, was released with a download price of $9.99. So, Mr. "Give it away for free" chose not to give it away for free so apparently, he's not taking his own advice.

All that said, he's a likeable guy who's extremely and ridiculously talented. He has the respect of artists and songwriters in nearly every genre and it's weird to criticize such a nice guy. But until he changes his duplicitous ways, he'll always have legitimate critics.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't have anything personally negative to say about Dave. He's a very nice guy to everyone that I know and when I've run into him, he's always been super cool. He even let my 3 year old daughter, at the time, strum one of his guitars because the Foo's were/are her favorite band.

But where Dave has lost me over the years (and I'm certainly not the only one) is his duplicitous nature regarding the music industry. He's railed on people for not "keeping it real" and proclaiming he's recording to tape, just like the "old days" and that others should "get real" and make a record in their garage, just like he's done. He's also stated that people should just "give away their music for free", just to get people to come and see bands live, because that's "what it's all about".

Well, first off, Butch Vig may have recorded a few elements (drums, mostly) to tape but everything was simultaneously run to Pro Tools digitally and mixed with Pro Tools (and his vocals tuned as well). That's not "keeping it real", unless you're working in the 21st century, which is how everyone records. Anyone that records to tape is living in the past.

Secondly, not everyone lives in a $4 million dollar home with a massive garage that's been professionally treated and soundproofed. Furthermore, 99.99999% of the world can't afford to purchase a 56 channel Neve console or a newer API console that he used for Wasting Light, nor can they afford Butch Vig. On top of that, most records these days are being made sans a giant mixing console, whether it's an SSL, API or Neve because it's just no longer necessary due to software emulations of classic hardware and the amazing (and extremely affordable) Analog to Digital and Digital to Analog converters.

And lastly, the notion of "Giving it away for Free" is his most duplicitous in nature. Dave's worth more than $250 million dollars and they're arguably the biggest rock band in the world. If anyone can afford to "Give away their music for free", it's Dave and the Foo's. Yet, shortly after he made that statement, his new record, Sonic Highways, was released with a download price of $9.99. So, Mr. "Give it away for free" chose not to give it away for free so apparently, he's not taking his own advice.

All that said, he's a likeable guy who's extremely and ridiculously talented. He has the respect of artists and songwriters in nearly every genre and it's weird to criticize such a nice guy. But until he changes his duplicitous ways, he'll always have legitimate critics.

Eh. He bought it used.

Vig: True dat!

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't have anything personally negative to say about Dave. He's a very nice guy to everyone that I know and when I've run into him, he's always been super cool. He even let my 3 year old daughter, at the time, strum one of his guitars because the Foo's were/are her favorite band.

But where Dave has lost me over the years (and I'm certainly not the only one) is his duplicitous nature regarding the music industry. He's railed on people for not "keeping it real" and proclaiming he's recording to tape, just like the "old days" and that others should "get real" and make a record in their garage, just like he's done. He's also stated that people should just "give away their music for free", just to get people to come and see bands live, because that's "what it's all about".

Well, first off, Butch Vig may have recorded a few elements (drums, mostly) to tape but everything was simultaneously run to Pro Tools digitally and mixed with Pro Tools (and his vocals tuned as well). That's not "keeping it real", unless you're working in the 21st century, which is how everyone records. Anyone that records to tape is living in the past.

Secondly, not everyone lives in a $4 million dollar home with a massive garage that's been professionally treated and soundproofed. Furthermore, 99.99999% of the world can't afford to purchase a 56 channel Neve console or a newer API console that he used for Wasting Light, nor can they afford Butch Vig. On top of that, most records these days are being made sans a giant mixing console, whether it's an SSL, API or Neve because it's just no longer necessary due to software emulations of classic hardware and the amazing (and extremely affordable) Analog to Digital and Digital to Analog converters.

And lastly, the notion of "Giving it away for Free" is his most duplicitous in nature. Dave's worth more than $250 million dollars and they're arguably the biggest rock band in the world. If anyone can afford to "Give away their music for free", it's Dave and the Foo's. Yet, shortly after he made that statement, his new record, Sonic Highways, was released with a download price of $9.99. So, Mr. "Give it away for free" chose not to give it away for free so apparently, he's not taking his own advice.

All that said, he's a likeable guy who's extremely and ridiculously talented. He has the respect of artists and songwriters in nearly every genre and it's weird to criticize such a nice guy. But until he changes his duplicitous ways, he'll always have legitimate critics.

lol I was going to type up the majority of this, glad you beat me to it.

[frankotank]

good points. thanks for the clarification. couldn't remember exactly what was said. makes sense.

glad to know that overall he's still a nice guy. there aren't many celebrities that would evoke much emotion in me if I thought they were cool and found out otherwise. I'll admit that I would be very disappointed to find out Daves a dick.

I am aware that the person you see on camera or read about in an interview isn't necessarily the person they are in real life (this means you Tony Gagzalez...and you Jayice Pearson....how the hell you get JC out of that I'll never know).
sometimes the real person, in real life, is a twat.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by frankotank

I am aware that the person you see on camera or read about in an interview isn't necessarily the person they are in real life (this means you Tony Gagzalez...and you Jayice Pearson....how the hell you get JC out of that I'll never know).
sometimes the real person, in real life, is a twat.

I've been pretty fortunate in that most of the people I've met and hung out with in the music and Film & TV business have been pretty cool people outside of their work.

[GoShox]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Man I love Dave Grohl! (Just don't care for the Foo Fighters tunes) Except for Everlong.

Everlong is a beautiful song, but I still think Aurora is their best.

[BigMeatballDave]

I like Foo a lot.

DOA and Learn to Fly are probably my favorites.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude. I can't even...

Dude.

**** Cokehead.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Man I love Dave Grohl! (Just don't care for the Foo Fighters tunes) Except for Everlong.

Agreed

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

**** Cokehead.

he may have been a long of things.. but he was a driving force to their success and the genre. He had the trait of a band leader and outside the box...

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

**** Cokehead.

I mean... Not arguing that Kurt sucked. But he was a junkie. Smack addict. Heron fiend. Trying to make a nickname based on cocaine is kind of silly.

[Rasputin]

[Rasputin]